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Walosi once said something like no matter how crappy everthing else is, putting a good finish and polish on a nice piece of wood was therapeutic.

Well so is baking a loaf of real bread--especially sourdough bread.

You don't have to go through any wierd formulas or buy some magic starter or steal somebodies' secret hierloom culture, though I'm sure some of those methods work too.

There is wild yeast on minimally unprocessed flour, and it's easy to get a starter going from rye flour. Here's a link.

Now that mine's going I keep it in the fridge and it slows down enough that I only have to feed it every couple of days--I just make sure I use it within 12 hrs after the last feeding and it has risen up.

The thing about the wild yeast is it works slow. That means better taste, and if you do things right, essentially no kneading. I just take about 8 oz of culture, mix it with about 10 of water and a pinch of salt, slowly mix in about 12-14 oz flour to get a dough that is just barely firm enough to very gently handle. Do it in a bowl. you can mix every thing with a fork until the very last bit of flour is added, then you'll need to use your hands. Be gentle and use the minimum flour to allow handling. Add mostly white flour to the starter, at least at first--it is easier to use. Afer a few tries you can work up to adding other flours-they don't form a structure that rises and well and you don't want to start out making bricks.

Cover the bowl with plastic wrap and put it in the fridge for 12-14 hours to slowly rise to almost double.

Take it out and let warm for an hour or two (too long and it will get too sticky to handle), punch down briefly knead to shape and let rise either in a bread pan or a one of those special bread rising baskets. Or line regular basket with a floured dish towel. Or make a hammock with a couple of dowels and a floured dish towel. If it's not in a bread pan you need a piece of thin plywood for a peel to get it in the oven. And baking stones--the thin unglazed clay (not cement) pavers from the homestore that cost about a buck for 12"x12". They cut easily with a one of those hacksaw blades that is a wire with carbide chips.


Let rise at room temp for a few hours until almost double, trasfer to floured peel if needed, dock (see below) and bake in preheated oven 425-450 for 7-10 min, then reduce heat to 375-400 for additional 40-45 min. Let cool for 2-3 hrs at least before eating as the bread is still cooking when you take it out. This part is hard, but make toast later if you want to melt butter on it.

The trick is the "docking" of the loaf right before going into the oven, some cuts are made at an angle into and under the skin so the loaf will expand properly in the oven. Not enough and the loaf will blow-out somewhere. Too much and it will be flat with a saggy looking top. Still edible.

Spraying walls of oven with a water mister a few times in first few minutes helps.

It's actually pretty easy, and this way the yeast does all the work. About the only way to screw-up is letting the yeast work so long that it goes dormant and doesn't have any oomph left for that last expansion when it goes in the oven.

It took a few tries to work this out but I haven't bought any bread in a while. And I'd have to buy the super-expensive "artisian" bread to get something simlar.

You need a wet dough and a long fermentation to get that chewy center with the larger bubbles. But this way minimizes having to handle the difficult to control wet sticky dough.

I run my starter on about 50% unbleached white flour, 30% whole wheat and 20% rye. Once in a while I may add the yeast from the bottom of a beer bottle just to add some new "blood".

Well, thats it, one bowl, no kneading, and a time frame that is probably compatable with people's schedules. The 'fridge really slows everything down to it is managable. Some places the garage or cellar might be the right temperature.

If you have a bit of "extra" starter in the middle of the week, just think of it as a mixture of flour and water and toss it in the biscuit recipe, pie crust recipe, or whatever.
It makes great pizza dough, if you're in hurry just use regular yeast too, like a normal pizza dough recipe (get your money's worth out of that couple of bux worth of "baking stones")--some of the sourdough character will still be there, just not as much.

It is relatively cheap entertainment, and beats the heck out of anything I've had out of a bread machine.

The site linked has some recipes, and there is lot's of other stuff on the web. This is just how I'm doing it right now, and once worked out, it is pretty easy.
 
You make me wish I wasn't on Atkins.
Good bread is an art. Sourdough is the king of breads. As easy as you say it is, don't downplay your skill. If you can make good sourdough, you are a determined and skilled baker!!
 
Sounds really good Firkin even though I'm not a big fan of most sourdoughs. I have eaten a couple I have really liked over the years but there's sometimes a whang about it that I don't really care for. It may have been the cook and not the sourdough though.;)

Barb makes home made bread once in a great while. If I let her cook like she likes to cook I would weigh 500 pounds or more! Barb's pie's are too die for and it doesn't matter what kind of pie it is!:eek: :D
Ever had a Mayonaise Cake?
I'll have to see if I have the recipe in the computer and if not write it down in word so I can post it. Wonderfully heavy cake with an extremely fattening frosting if you make the homemade one that goes with it.:D
 
I was thinking on going on the all meat diet. Some folks question it and say I won't be healthy because there's no fibre. I tell them I'm also going to eat the fur. :rolleyes:
 
BruiseLeee said:
I was thinking on going on the all meat diet. Some folks question it and say I won't be healthy because there's no fibre. I tell them I'm also going to eat the fur. :rolleyes:
LMRRAO!!!!:D
 
Bruise, if you really want to be healthy, go for the mice, or shrews if you can catch "em. Maybe little birds too. Those feathers are jus' big fur.

Yvsa's caution is actually a good one, once you find out how much better some real home-baking is, it could be dangerous in the weight department.

The "wang" comes from people not understanding the idea. The idea is that it works slow, and along the way, pre-digests things and does a lot of fermenting--not that it is really "sour", or the starter is like vinegar. You can get similar effects by using long times and a tiny bit of regualar yeast, but it is actually much harder to control. Similar, but not quite as good. But if you use rye flour, getting a bit acidic is actually required to get a good loaf.

It's like making gumbo, do it fast and you lose out on what it could be. Fortunately the yeasties do all the work.

So far, I've not really ventured into the deserts, otherwise I might be rolling to the the store for flour.

There really is a world of difference between real bread and most of the stuff they sell in stores. People did used to live on it, and I don't think that would be possible on what many call bread now.
 
There is a bread store downtown called Great Harvest. Great bread. This is like the neighborhood bakery. While it probably can't compare to real home made bread (I wouldn't know, I can't reme,ber the last time I had real "from scratch' bread) it is pretty good.
 
Good stuff and thanks. Anybody got a fool proof pizza dough recipe. Mine is ok but it has sort of a crunchy soda cracker texture but better than a soggy mess, I guess.
 
"... I'm also going to eat the fur"

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He's a very dangerous man I tell you! D-A-N-G-E-R-O-U-S !
 
Bill Martino said:
Good stuff and thanks. Anybody got a fool proof pizza dough recipe. Mine is ok but it has sort of a crunchy soda cracker texture but better than a soggy mess, I guess.
I searched for long time and had come to the conclusion that it was either the oven and/or some well guarded secret needed to make decent pizza. Growing up in South Philly I was accustomed to some mighty fine pizza. Only after moving to the suburbs did I find the answer. A neighbor was admiring my tomato plants and I offered her some. We got to talkin about recipes and Italian food. She was from Naples and knew a thing or two bout good eats. Here's the the scoop about good pizza. In Italy the flour is a different consistency. You can get a good match by mixing 1 cup of "cake flour" for every 2 cups of all-purpose flour. So it goes like this for great pizza.

2 cups unbleached all-purpose flour (not bread flour)
1 cup of cake flour
warm water - about a cup and a half to two cups(depends on moisture content of flour)
1 package of yeast
1/2 teaspoon of salt

Proof the yeast in 100 degree water with a little sugar. This part can be skipped and is just a safety measure to test if the yeast is still viable.
Sift cake, all-purpose flour and salt together.
Add water and mix.
Knead dough, coat with olive oil, cover bowl with a damp towel of plastic wrap.
Let rise and double in volume
Punch down and lightly knead and let rest for another 10 minutes. Iffin you don't let it rest it's harder to roll out or toss. I roll mine out square and will sometimes let that rise again for a nice sicilian pie dough.

Two more important items are a hot oven and olive oil. Brush the rolled out dough with olive oil before adding the toppings and set oven to highest temp setting. I use a pizza stone and set the oven on broil so the heating element is constantly on and doesn't cycle when temp is reached. Bake till edge of crust is brown enough for ya and cheese is melted.
 
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