well I just got my younger brother on the right knife path. He told me he wanted to get a knife and that he wanted something smaller that he could carry easier. so he was looking at my collection and decided that he really liked my Ontario RAT-3 and he was about to order one.(like I did before I knew any better) So I showed him my Izula the only esee I have currently(ESEE-4 on the way)and pointed out the quality difference and explained the warranty, Nuff said he was sold ESEE-3 on the way. now he's already planning future ESEE's. A proud day.