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Benefits of two burners? I will be either using a 5 gl air pig or 5 gln steel lacquer thinner can. On Zoellers page they have the 5 gln steel can with a single burner. Some of the others I've seen online use two. I won't be forge welding, just knives and maybe some hooks and things. Thanks Chris

Also, quick edit- Any opinions on the firebrick square forge? I know a lot of people allude to the "venturi effect" but realistically I may only be using this forge once a month.
 
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I use a Majestic 3-burner forge. The advantage of multiple burners is options. I can run all three burners wide open to forge weld or I can run one burner half open for thermal cycling. The majestic is a square body type of forge and it certainly has hot spots. I've not used a round type forge so I don't know if the swirl effect is real or effective. I can manage the hot spots in my forge just fine by adjusting position of my material.

Bob
 
450 BTU per cubic inch, that's the recommended amount of flame for a forge. If your burner only puts out 50k BTU, then you'll need two burners for a propane tank sized forge. If your burner puts out 100k, like my Graham burners do, then you'll only need one. The other reason to use two burners is if you are blacksmithing and just want a larger hot spot. Most knifemakers don't want a hot spot and rarely do you see a knifemaker build a forge with two burners. I've built them for prototypes, but they never worked as well as a forge with an adequately sized burner.
 
In a square or rectangle body forge, multiple burners make the heat distribution more even. I run a NC whisper lowboy for most general forging work. It does nicely with its three small burners.

If building a new forge from scratch, a round chamber and a properly sized blown burner are the best choices. A venturi burner will certainly work, but the later addition of PID control is more of a problem. For most normal size forges, a single burner does fine. ( see below for more on that)

My advice to most all forge builds is to use:
2" of Hi-Z wool,
1/4-3/8" of satanite,
a good coat of ITC-100,
Bubble alumina floor,
blown burner,
PID control

Other really nice add-ons are:
A slide out tong/bar rest - This is simply two pieces of pipe welded/attached on each side of the shell so a "U" shaped slide can be pulled out. The slide end should be at the port level.

A flame minder to reduce the gas flow when there isn't a bar/billet in the forge - This is simply a valve with a by-pass setup that is flipped when you are not heating a bar/billet, so the forge runs at a lower flame setting. Flip it back when you put in the work for the next heat. Over the course of a day, it can save a lot of propane. You can build one or use the commercial types used by welders. For the best setup, use a solenoid, and turn it on and off by a foot switch.

Full PID control with a DC blower. This allows perfectly balanced atmosphere for all settings.





As to one burner vs two or three, I have a different opinion. It isn't just a matter of BTU output. If the burners are individually controlled, properly sized and places, and are well made, multiple burners can be better. There is a reason car engines have six or eight cylinders instead of one big cylinder. It helps even out the work load. On the new cars, it also allows one or more cylinders to be shut down when not needed. A three burner forge could roar at welding heat or purr at HT temps. That would be a lot more difficult with only one big burner.
 
Hey thanks for all the info Stacy, I ended just buying an atlas Graham 3, I figured my learning curve will be steep enough as it is
 
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