Another grisly grizzly attack

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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the grizzly bear attack last week in Wyoming. I know bears are a popular subject here.

Anyway, a mountain biker suprised a grizz. Charged him from 100 yards away. The biker used his bicycle to repeatedly fend off the bear. Finally, the bear chomped onto the tire and did a number on the rim.

Our hero bicyclist was finally pinned down by the grizz. Bear just stepped on him, leaving footprints on his shirt. A fellow biker came along with pepperspray and discharged it into the bear's eyes. The bear loved it.

Finally, a wild shout by biker #2 scared the bear and it took off. No major injuries to either biker.
 
Okay, maybe I'm a little simple here, but if I see a grizzly charging me from 100 yards away (that's a football field away, mind you) and I have a bike... I'm thinking I'm gonna try to outpedal the grizzly. I know that a normal person can't outrun a grizzly on foot, but I think that with sufficient motivation, a cyclist could probably do it.
 
I suspect that the terrain made bicycle flight too slow. On dirt and uphill you aren't going to bike away from a bear (unless the bear is on one of those little circus bicycles itself).
 
(unless the bear is on one of those little circus bicycles itself)

That is hilarius. Perhaps even I could outrun this bear.

Seriously, 100 yards headstart is quite a distance. An animal can outrun us eventually, but that is one hell of an opportunity.

T
 
I've seen many black bears take off at high speeds (30 mph?)through the thickest bush - they are unstoppable when p-ed off. I would humble suggest that 100 yrds isn't enough of a head start, even on a bike, if the bear "really" wants you....but that isn't based on any empirical testing. :)

D
 
as far as i know, a bear can run with the same speed as a horse for short distances. i have a hard time believing it could keep a comparable pace such as that up for 100 yards, so as to catch a biker. even in rough terrain.

that's scary.
 
Diligence said:
I would humble suggest that 100 yrds isn't enough of a head start, even on a bike,

100 yards and a Ruger Redhawk in .44 magnum maybe????

Seriously, one of best freinds was an Eastern Orthodox priest in Alaska for 10 years, including being the priest on Kodiak Island for a time, and he told me once it is utterly amazing how fast a creature that large can move when they want to.
 
A Grizzly bear can sprint 100 yards in 6 seconds flat (and this is over rough terrain) and it can outrun any racehorse for short distances. Keep in mind that the fastest humans are running 100 yards, under optimal conditions, in about 10 seconds. For the guy with the mountain bike, he would have to spot the grizzly, turn the bike around, and build up speed before the bear reached him. The bear can sprint at 35-40mph and I doubt a cyclist could reach that speed on a mountain bike on rough terrain quickly enough to get away. Bears can accelerate much quicker than a mountain biker.

Hopefully the guy will carry bear spray with him next time. It has an outstanding track record on Grizzlies (though it has proven less effective against Black bears for some reason). I'd take a canister of bear spray over ANY pistol any day of the week against a charging Grizzly.

The best advice is still to stand your ground until the bear actually makes contact (many charges are bluff charges) and then drop into a protective position. If armed with bear spray, I would start spraying at 20 feet and spray continuously until either the bear turned away or it made contact. Fighting back unarmed against a Grizzly bear almost always results in the victim being killed by the bear.

Is there a link where one can read the details of this encounter? I generally receive reports on bear attacks shortly after they happen, but I haven't gotten any information on this one yet.
 
Well put, JRF.

We don't realize how fast those big guys are until we see them.

That being said, the adrenalin really does help in climbing faster. Last year I was charged by a... wild boar (nothing remotely as big as a grizz, but still quite bad, especially for large males). I climbed in a tree at lightning speed, really. Then I got down, just to find out that I was unable to climb that same tree without the adrenalin rush :rolleyes:

3-6 seconds still is damn short to climb 15-20 feet. Most people can hardly look up, turn around and run 20 feet on flat ground in 3 secs...

Cheers,

David
 
David: I just deleted part of my post accidentally while editing it. Sorry about that.

In any case, it was an enlightening experience testing ourselves to see just how quickly we could climb a tree if we were to attempt it in order to escape a charging Grizzly. That 3-6 second window of opportunity disappears VERY quickly when trying to climb 12-15 feet up a suitable tree, pack or no pack. This is especially true for an adult who hasn't climbed trees since he was a kid. I DO conceed that adrenalin might make a difference, especially without a backpack.

For the record, I wouldn't want to run into a wild boar any more than I would a bear! JRF.
 
I've seen bears charge 4 times now. Each time, I changed the channel.

In real life, the bear would be distracted by a large pile of fecal matter... :eek:
 
jrf said:
A Grizzly bear can sprint 100 yards in 6 seconds flat (and this is over rough terrain) and it can outrun any racehorse for short distances. Keep in mind that the fastest humans are running 100 yards, under optimal conditions, in about 10 seconds. For the guy with the mountain bike, he would have to spot the grizzly, turn the bike around, and build up speed before the bear reached him. The bear can sprint at 35-40mph and I doubt a cyclist could reach that speed on a mountain bike on rough terrain quickly enough to get away. Bears can accelerate much quicker than a mountain biker.

Hopefully the guy will carry bear spray with him next time. It has an outstanding track record on Grizzlies (though it has proven less effective against Black bears for some reason). I'd take a canister of bear spray over ANY pistol any day of the week against a charging Grizzly.

The best advice is still to stand your ground until the bear actually makes contact (many charges are bluff charges) and then drop into a protective position. If armed with bear spray, I would start spraying at 20 feet and spray continuously until either the bear turned away or it made contact. Fighting back unarmed against a Grizzly bear almost always results in the victim being killed by the bear.

Is there a link where one can read the details of this encounter? I generally receive reports on bear attacks shortly after they happen, but I haven't gotten any information on this one yet.


Sounds like you haven't seen what a Casull can do. It's basically a hand-held 45-70. Almost.

Having said that, I seldom carry it in National Parks. Ok, never. So, given that, I agree that pepper spray is probably the best choice.
 
jrf said:
Hopefully the guy will carry bear spray with him next time. It has an outstanding track record on Grizzlies (though it has proven less effective against Black bears for some reason).

Can you provide some data in support of Pepper Spray's lack of effectiveness on Black Bears? That's news to me, and I'd like to follow it up with some research of my own. Thanks!
 
thatmguy said:
I've seen bears charge 4 times now. Each time, I changed the channel.

In real life, the bear would be distracted by a large pile of fecal matter... :eek:

the down side the fecal matter is that type of smell is what they like to roll in. the little feller would crush ya :D :eek:

i would rather get mauled by a grizzly than a black bear. a grizzly with attack you, piss on you and then bury you for a later meal.
a black bear, on the other hand, would just stop right there and eat your yummy body :eek: :eek:
 
Rainmaker870: Please note that I did not state or imply that bear spray is not effective against Black bears, only that it appears to be less effective against them than against Grizzlies. I apologize for any confusion.

One of the most significant studies was conducted by Dr. Stephen Herrero, probably North America's top expert on bear behavior over the past three decades and a Professor of Biology and Environmental Science at the University of Calgary in Alberta, Canada. The study is entitled "Field Use of Capsaicin Sprays as a Bear Deterrent" and was presented in "Proceedings, 10th International Conference on Bear Research and Management." There is other research being conducted by the Canadian Ministry of Forests, US Geological Survey (whose field geologists often operate alone in remote areas), and the US and Canadian park services regarding the effectiveness of bear sprays. Much of it is ongoing. I simply lack the time to reference it all. A good start would be Dr. Herrero's work. If you don't have access to the original study, he has a great book on bear attacks entitled "Bear Attacks: Their Causes and Avoidance" (Revised edition, copyright 2002) in which he both briefly summarizes the results of his study and discusses bear attacks in great detail.

KnifeaddictAK: There is a definite logic to your "preference" (and I am reluctant to use that word since I am sure you would prefer not to be attacked at all) for being attacked by a Grizzly rather than by a Black bear. I am not sure that I agree with you, but I definitely see the line of reasoning behind it and have met more than one native Alaskan who felt exactly the same way. There is no guarantee of survival in either case. It is all about odds.

Most Grizzly attacks are defensive attacks designed to eliminate a perceived threat to the bear, her cubs, or a kill it has made. Most of these attacks last a short period of time (though it probably feels like an eternity to the victim) and result in the bear leaving when it no longer perceives a threat. The Grizzly generally does not, however, bury the person and come back to eat later after a defensive attack. One should not automatically dive to the ground and play dead unless it becomes obvious that the bear charge is not a bluff charge. The ferocity and violence of even a defensive attack sometimes results in the victim sustaining fatal injuries. It is really about choosing between a very bad situation (playing dead during an attack and being mauled or possibly killed) and a virtually no-win situation (fighting back unarmed against a Grizzly and almost certainly being killed). Definitely a case in which an ounce of prevention is worth several tons of cure!

The far more dangerous attack is the rare predatory attack in which a human is attacked by a Grizzly as prey. The bear will continue the attack until the victim is dead and typically begins to feed on the human carcass, burying whatever is left over for a later meal (just as it does with moose carcasses and other prey it kills). The Grizzly remains close to the kill and approaching the carcass is extremely dangerous. Nearly all predatory attacks by Grizzlies occur at night, and the victim has all of the odds stacked against him as he is typically asleep when the attack takes place.

More than 90% of Black bear "attacks" result in only minor injuries (not requiring hospitalization), usually the result of humans trying to feed the bear, or stop the bear from eating their foods or wrecking a campsite. Most Black bears flee at the sight or smell of humans. A sow Black bear may swat the ground and huff while her cubs scurry up a nearby tree, but she rarely attacks defensively. Black bears simply do not demonstrate the aggressiveness of Grizzlies in defensive encounters except in extreme cases. A Black bear is often deterred by making noise or, if necessary, fighting back in these situations. Playing dead is not, to my knowledge, ever recommended.

In a very few instances, Black bears become predatory and stalk and kill humans as prey. These attacks nearly always occur in daylight. Humans are not as helpless because they sometimes are able to detect the presence of the bear and arm themselves or escape the area. In any instance in which a human is unable to escape, he should fight back for all he is worth with any weapon available. The bear will continue the attack until either the bear is driven away or until the victim is dead and will then commence feeding on the human carcass.

One of the most incredible survival stories of any bear attack is an incident which took place in Alaska in 1977 during which a female US Geological Survey field geologist survived a predatory Black bear attack. The helicopter pilot that dropped her off heard her distress call on her portable radio as the bear was chewing on her and returned in time to drive the bear away from her with the helicopter. The bear chewed off both of her arms and nearly killed her before being driven away. The story can be found in the above mentioned book by Dr. Herrero or in Larry Kaniut's book "Alaska Bear Tales" (the original with the red cover). It is an amazing account.

Any adult bear, Grizzly or Black, is easily capable of killing an unarmed human. Fortunately, the overwhelming majority of bears will move away at the first sign of humans and bears usually detect humans far earlier than humans detect bears. Knowledge about bear behavior, careful planning (regarding campsite location, cleanliness, and food storage), and an appropriate weapon as a last resort are all part of the survival equation.

I hope someone finds this post useful or interesting. JRF.

Notice: This post is for general information only and should not be construed as offering advice or recommendations in any way. Consult the appropriate Federal, State, or local agency for specific advice.
 
Rainmaker870,

I read that alleged resistance to spray was because black bears had a more protective mucus membrane.

This would appear to be alluded to here, and apparently overcome by using a an effective carrier of the capsaicin:
Guard Alaska Pepper Spray

I also like that this product apparently has a long shelf life, as it is not something one would normally need, but would really like to work if needed!

Does anyone know anything about this product?
 
jrf said:
Rainmaker870: Please note that I did not state or imply that bear spray is not effective against Black bears, only that it appears to be less effective against them than against Grizzlies. I apologize for any confusion.....I hope someone finds this post useful or interesting. JRF.

Useful - probably. Interesting, definitely. :)

My own findings (and I can't source 'em tonight but there is a lot of consistency) indicate that in 100% of cases where aggressive black bears were sprayed, they stopped their aggressive behavior immediately. HOWEVER, contrary to the typical grizzly response, the black bears did not leave the area - they just quit what they were doing. Better than nothing I suppose, and the statistics are better than stops on grizzlies, but having the bear stick around could be problematic. I seem to remember one hypothesis that mentioned a protective membrane that made the black bear less susceptible, but it was only a hypothesis. Personally, I think the difference comes from the psychological makeup of the bears - blacks are more timid, less aggressive in nature, and are perhaps more likely to say (in bear-speak), "Oops! My bad, I'm just gonna hang out for a while, ok?"

I suspect that my amatuer effort at bear psychology is almost as valid as anyone else's, but that could be the beer talking. ;)

Thanks for the sources, jrf - I'll look 'em up this week.

Edited to add: Donald, I don't know if I missed your post or if we just crossed in the mail, but thanks for the membrane reference. It makes me trust my memory a little bit more. :) Guard Alaska is good stuff according to a taxidermist buddy of mine in AK. I personally carry Counter Assault, but have no field results of my own to share.
 
The story has it biker#2 had been spraying the bear for almost 30 seconds and was in the process of looking for another can in his backpack when the bear finally departed.
 
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