another Gunting question

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I just received a PE Gunting #317 (CPM 440V). It is an awesome knife. My question is on the compression lock. The lock on my Lil Temperance goes from left to right if you are looking at the top of the handle. The lock on my Gunting goes the other way, from right to left. Is that normal, or do I have a "left hand" Gunting. Thanks.

Mike
 
That's normal. Can't remember off hand why, but Bram actually explained why on these boards i think.
 
The Gunting Compression Lock is actually a right handed lock. All the other compressions are lefties. The "G" compression allows your hand to remain in the functional position while disengaging the lock, pinching instead of pushing across to move the lock. A stronger movement.
 
Background: LH and I've got the following with compression locks; Lil' Temperance, Para-military, and Gunting.

This may be weird, but, of the three, I find the lock on the Gunting to be the most lefty-friendly of the bunch. From a saber grip I can easily pinch the Gunting lock to close, but the others require a bit of juggling.

Best regards.
 
Pinching it closed is a good way to lose the tool..if you use it as MBC-or SDR tool...
it's out of your hand,,,BAM!
of course I NEVER close a Gunting with my LEFT hand..even if I use it there..
I close it with my right..
There is a mirror image one done,,Engineering was done to make a left handed Gunting compression lock..it's out thee in the world..
The lock release is set up to close wih a natural thumb -kids making a natural fist motion..and I never take my hand off of a user position..you move perpendicular to the line of action..impossible to release under usage..
squeezing it makes it lock more
and it cannot close on my fingers...
I can close it down within the range of usage..
THe others either:
1) roll it blade to outside of vision & back of hand outside..to close like a liner..not my style or liking..
2) or you pinch it closed with index finger to thumb, releasing your hold on the tool..good way to lose the tool..
3) direction of release is with my grip..yeah I know..it won't happen,,and Murphy ain't my cousin either....

of course if you are using it as an EDC carry ..closing it under duress might not be in your vocabulary...
As a Security, ATO,LEO, Military tool.... its in OUR vocabulary..
open & close under duress...

I hads Dr's , Chiros, Ortho Dr's physical therapists etc all use both versions of the Gunting..in proto stages..
the version you have now..the one in production WON everty time..


sort of like Firearms..
sight alignment - trigger control..
hand alignment - thumb control..

its not rocket science..

be safe
Bram
 
Sometimes,too much is made out of a simple thing.I'm LH have been carrying a G for quite sometime & I have no tbl.closing a G. Here is what is important to me:1)when it opens it is locked tight,no bladeplay.2)with the Comp.lock it will never close on me while using,you know like "OH **** it closed on my finger while using.I trust this knife & have no prob. closing it with 2 hands.
Take care,
Jim
 
I'm trying to imagine a situation in which one would be closing a knife under duress?
 
Like I said..If its not part of your vocabulary it might be strange..
as a concept of force its very important..
Closing under duress?
It's like getting into a personal confrontation with someone...it escalates rapidly..BAM..you're in the nix of it...BAM again...and the level of force needed changes..You've escalated up the force continuum and then they disengage or stop the assault. Then one has to de-escalate the level from lethal... to less than lethal or non lethal..
From Cutting down to impact or restraint..
Sometimes after lethal force usage.. still in combat mode..within the flow of combat or combat usage, one needs or wants to drop back down the continuum for slam-n-jam to finish the confrontation or to go to controlled restraint ( read that cuffing or lock up)..

The simpler this task is to accomplish under gross motor skills level is important..it takes very little stress to lose fine and complex motor skills...

The Gunting is a full force continuum tool..THe CRMIPT is a Close Range Medium ImPact Tool...

be safe

Bram
 
Thanks, Bram. Very well put. I was kind of wondering the same thing as Ritt, but you made the point very clear. Just because a situation has "de-escalated", you still don't want to fumble around, drop your knife, and open up an advantage for the BG's...
 
I was thinking that you'd never want to close the knife until the situation was resolved, but you make the point well and clear. Thanks Bram.
 
No problemo..
thats my job to explain the why's and ways of using the tool and using force..
And Spyderco makes me a great products to do so with..
The Gunting live blade
The DRone training tool
THe CRMIPT Close Range Medium ImPact Tool

I have 2 instructor camps coming up..the one in October is not restricted..
The one next wek is..but if any ofyou meet the restrictions you can come sign up @ the door..CRMIPT insrtructor Course
www.s2institute.com
In October its a full CRMIPT -Modular Knife INstructor course...
no restrictions..
great way to learn how to use the fullforce continuum tool..
www.CSSDSC.com
check it out on the forums under GUNTING...

be safe

Bram
 
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