Another 'high-tech'

textoothpk

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I use the term 'high-tech' as a description 'cause this isn't your granddaddies knife. The styling, handle material and advertising all seem to be made appealing to a new generation of knife users. In this case, it's a hunting knive, pure and simple. My personal definition of a hunting knife is one capable of splitting a deer sized animal all the way up through the breastbone.
And delicate enough to cut around gender organs and avoid cutting through gut as you field dress the game.

Like the other X-timers, this one has a black finished blade. It is some kinda expoxy paint. It will scratch off (I've used and carried one of the 60TXtimers for year now, same finish) with tough use. But seeing as how it is good old Schrade+steel beneath the finish, it ain't gonna rust. I cut a bunch of stuff with it Friday and Saturday, and it worked fine. Very sharp straight from the factory. I'll include a pic showing that. But here is the knife, in hand, so you can see the size.
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It feels perfect in the hand. The ribbed rubber like grip is a pleasure to hold, comfortable too. Even wet with sweat, it felt secure. The material is called 'TPR'. I imagine it would when covered with blood. The knife has an important feature (to me, anyway), a thong hole, and a sign of quality in a knife is having it lined, as this one is. It's very handy, when gutting a deer at night, holding the mini flashlite in your teeth, to be able to let go of the knife as you work on your deer, but not lose it in the dark. Handy too if you are up in a tree stand, knowing if you lose your grip, your knife wont fall to the bottom of the tree. I use Orange paracord in a hangman's knot that can be cinched around my wrist tight when in use.

Flipped upside down, as a field dressing knife is mostly used, it still feels perfect. Exactly has how it should, with a great thumb rest. See how deep that blade is? That will add strength and rigidity when I rip up through the breast bone and brisket.

Sharp. This puppy is super sharp from the factory. Very sharp. Is it too sharp, like will the egde fold over when I'm gutting a deer and hit a bone? I dunno. Haven't tried it yet. But Schrade+ steel is pretty tough, so I think I will give it the benefit of the doubt.

And finally... who am I to do a review of a major company's product? I'm just joe-average-knife user, willing to put my money down on a product made by a firm who's wares usually don't let me down. I do know what makes a good hunting knife, and I think this one is such a blade. Hopefully, I'll find out this winter. I'll let you guys know.

Phil
 
I have the xt1b and I love that one as well. The major thing I can say about the XTxB series is that they were properly tested in house. That's for sure.

One of the prototype testing knives now sits on a shelf as a memento with one of our production guys. It's missing a chunk out of the blade. There was some dispute of materials, and the heat treating process. To prove his point on why he wanted to change it before production began he took one of the prototypes and proceeded to start hacking up a fork lift pallete. About half way through the pallete the blade got a 3/4 inch chunk taken out. They changed the process after that.

Needless to say, my xt1b has served me well for the last 8 months. Despite all sorts of horrible abuses.
 
Now that deer seasons are for the most part ended nationwide, and since I have an XT2B on the way to my mailbox and hands, I am wondering if you were able to test the knife on organic test materials as you indicated in the original post, or was the test subject too elusive this year? Inquiring minds want to know! :p

Codger
XT4 anyone? (newest grovel) :D
 
If that's the "Drop Point Hunter," they're still available from SMKW. Unfortunately that model isn't discounted - the X-Timer Camp Knife and Liner Lock are around $15, but the hunter is still $42...

Thanks for the info on the knife's usability.
-Bob
 
The XT1B Camp knife is currently out of stock. I'll keep checking back with them though, as one or two cases may be unpacked yet. They list them for $16.99. Still a good deal of a markdown from the MSRP of $75.95.
 
A doe fell to my arrow this year during the first week of November. However, I own far more hunting knives that I will ever be able to use. My trusty old Imperial Frontier Drop point was with me that evening. So sadly, the X-timer has not yet tasted blood. Glad you liked what I wrote, it was an honest asscessment, written before Schrade went under.
Phil
 
Codger_64 said:
The XT1B Camp knife is currently out of stock. I'll keep checking back with them though, as one or two cases may be unpacked yet. They list them for $16.99. Still a good deal of a markdown from the MSRP of $75.95.
It seems the X-Timer series is getting some attention on Ebay now. I fail to understand why someone would pay $69.00 plus shipping for a XT1B in open auction when the same model knife is listed with a BIN of $39.99 at the same time. But I did notice that the bidders in that instance had comparitively low transaction numbers like the folks in the record setting fight for the 160OT a while back. The XT3B Fat Boy is still generally a good bargain for those who like the guthook blades. The XT2B Drop Point is still reasonable too, but more of all the patterns of this series are coming on the ebay market.

The 15OT still appears to be king of the hill among the OT fixed blades on Ebay, with the 165OT running a close second.
 
I got the XT7B off ebay last night for $21. Anyone have one of these? A meaty folder that looks a lot like the XT2B droppoint when locked open. I'm still fishing for a deal on the XT1B Camp Knife and the XT3B Fat Boy, but I am not in such a hurry that I am willing to pay more than the $20-25 I have paid for the others in this series. Good Schrade deals come to those who wait. Just wish someone was selling them for $11! :rolleyes:

Codger Blankmeister
 
My new XT2B arrived today and I gave it a thorough examination, both from an asthetic and user viewpoint. Conclusion? I will buy two more to give as Christmas presents this winter.

The TPR handle is well moulded, though the mold seams are still visible. There is very little flash, and the gate is cut fairly smooth. The mold temperature was right on the money, because there are no "swirls" indicating too cool of a mold, or chalking indicating material burn from too hot of a mold. I like the rib texture and you are right, the ribs are well placed even for inverted use.

The epoxy coat on the blade is even and well applied, with no fisheyes or orange peel, or trash inclusions. GM and Nissan would accept it as an accent auto finish which is saying a lot. The final grind is a bit rough for my tastes, especially on a knife with an MSRP of $64.95, but all the last production Schrades, excepting the 897UH's, have had a less than perfect edge.

The only visual imperfection is on the thong hole liner. While it is properly chamfered for depth and tightness, the chamfering is rough (radial gouges). It is like the chamfer bit was running too fast or the operation was hurried. No big deal, but it is a detail I noticed right away. And I will fix it the next time I run the verticle mill at the shop.

The ballistic cloth sheath is very well designed and made as well, though I wonder about the durability of the tricot-like lining. The 3 3/4" belt loop is the same as on the Safe-T-Grip series (140OT etc.), though the sheath material is a much finer weave.

All in all, it is a well designed knife. And an especially good deal for the $21 I paid. XT7B still on the way!

Codger Blankmeister
 
Codger_64 said:
I got the XT7B off ebay last night for $21. Anyone have one of these?

Well, the XT7B came in today and it is very much as I expected. The handle shape is a very near duplicate of the XT2B fixed blade, excepting the obligitory slot and liner lock bar in the bottom. While the deep ribbing is the same, this model is not as heavily stippled as the XT2B on the rest of the grip. Mold lines are fair, and the gate is cut so cleanly as to be nearly undetectable. The lanyard hole liner is the same as on the XT2B as well, properly seated but roughly finished.

The blade is as well finished with the matte black, and the laser etch is as clear. The blade profile is almost the same as the XT2B, only 1/4" shorter in length. The final grind is better than I expected, smoother without catching my thumbnail as I run it down the blade. The ambidexterous thumb studs are appropriately placed and sized for single hand opening and have a checkered texture on the outer surface for thumb traction as opposed to being knurled around the circumference.

The action is smooth but stiff as you would expect from a new liner lock, and the lockup is firm and snaps into place with minimal vertical play. There is no lateral play.

The sheath is the same black balistic cloth with tricot liner, and black webbing belt loop on the back. Both are nicely constructed and the stitching is fairly even. I did notice that the back portion of the cover snap protruded into the sheath a bit and was beginning to leave a circular indention in the soft plastic grip. Going back to the XT2B I saw the same thing. No big deal, but something I would have corrected in the preprototype or prototype stage, certainly before a run at rate for production.

All in all I give them both a good rating. Excellent tools and good acquisitions.
Now, where is that XT1B and XT3B? :D

Codger
 
Looked at these when they were closing out at my local wally world and didn't care for the liner lock setup. The "liner" is a piece of metal attached to the plastic handles, not part of a full sized steel liner as in most liner locks. Didn't leave me feeling to good about its strenth under hard use or its longevity. I left them sit. I made a comment a while back about Schrade not doing the tactical type liner lock very well and this was one of the examples I was talking about.

Anyways, I hope I'm wrong and you get lots of good use out of your knife. If it were me, I'd be extra careful if using this knife hard, at least until you are sure the lock can take it. I don't critcize Schrade's often, but this model left me wondering how great a knife this could have been if they had made it with full steel liners and a better handle materiel.
 
Nice review, Codger and thank you. Do give the big old bolo shaped XT1B a workout if you find one. I made a post here about it, I think the title was 'Schrade Steel Rant'. I found it to be a much better 'hack and slash' knife than my Becker BK7.

The XT3B.... that would be the one with the gut hook, wouldn't it? I never owned one. 'Gut Hooks' have their place, certainly, but many deer/big game hunters are a little snobbish about them. The thing is, it takes a bit of skill and expertise to open up the underside of an animal without cutting into the innards, causing ruination of meat and much mess. Particularly when it is dark, cold, snowing or raining and the hunter is miserable. A 'dropped hunter', as designed by Loveless, is perfect for this task. I think it was Buck Knives that found some hunter resistance to gut hooks, as they (the hunters) were proud of their ability to do the job without such a gimmick. Also, so many guthooks clog up quick with hair and fat as to be worthless, and give all such knives a bad name.

Larry and I are still seeking the XT4... looks like another Schrade product, like the Jernigan fixed blade, that never was...

Phil
 
OTguy said:
.....didn't care for the liner lock setup. The "liner" is a piece of metal attached to the plastic handles, not part of a full sized steel liner as in most liner locks. Didn't leave me feeling to good about its strenth under hard use or its longevity......
Yes, the lock bar is not a true liner. The handle is a copolymer on the order of Zytel, reinforced and quite a bit harder than the TPR used on the comolded fixed blade X-Timers and the Safe-T-Grip knives. The fixed end of the lock bar is bedded into the end of the handle and fixed in place by the thong hole liner. The lock bar in it's deployed position travels across the serrated rear face (tang?) of the blade to the opposite side of the slot in the handle from it's retracted position. I am hesitant to do destructive testing to find the point of failure mode, (the point at which the lock fails and guillotines the fingers) but it would not be hard to do, and I am pretty sure that at some point Schrade did it. I believe I would use a testing jig and carrots instead of my hands!
OTguy said:
.....this model left me wondering how great a knife this could have been if they had made it with full steel liners and a better handle materiel.
You have a point. But the handle material is pretty tough and it is a one piece moulded affair, with fixing hardware at each end of the slot, so I am guessing that is why they felt it did not need further renforcement with full length liners.

At any rate, I doubt any of my X-Timers will see much action, and will be "hanger queens" in my Schrade type collection, at least until I acquire used examples to play with. I am not much a fan of "tactical" knives to begin with. As I said before, I would not have bought them at their full retail price. But at 1/3 MSRP, I think they are good bargains.

Oh, and the second XT7B is on it's way so I can test it this fall on "organic material". This one cost only $16.50. Less than a box of ammo.

textoothpk said:
.....The XT3B.... that would be the one with the gut hook, wouldn't it? .
Yes it is, and no I don't use guthooks either. I do have several though, just to complete type collections. I never have a problem completeing the chore without one, and look on them as superfluous, like a sawblade, hollow match compartment or a compass on a knife. They are a bit gimmicky to me. But then I am an opinionated old codger and my truck does not have power windows either. Just something else to go wrong. And the truck was built the same year as the 15OT made it's debut. The windows and the 15OT still work! :D

Codger
P.S., when/if you two do locate examples of the so far mythical XT4, see if there is a third one!
 
textoothpk said:
Nice review, Codger and thank you. Do give the big old bolo shaped XT1B a workout if you find one. I made a post here about it, I think the title was 'Schrade Steel Rant'. I found it to be a much better 'hack and slash' knife than my Becker BK7.

The XT3B.... that would be the one with the gut hook, wouldn't it? I never owned one. 'Gut Hooks' have their place, certainly, but many deer/big game hunters are a little snobbish about them. The thing is, it takes a bit of skill and expertise to open up the underside of an animal without cutting into the innards, causing ruination of meat and much mess. Particularly when it is dark, cold, snowing or raining and the hunter is miserable. A 'dropped hunter', as designed by Loveless, is perfect for this task. I think it was Buck Knives that found some hunter resistance to gut hooks, as they (the hunters) were proud of their ability to do the job without such a gimmick. Also, so many guthooks clog up quick with hair and fat as to be worthless, and give all such knives a bad name.

Larry and I are still seeking the XT4... looks like another Schrade product, like the Jernigan fixed blade, that never was...

Phil
I bought a Buck Alpha Folder a few-three years ago w/a guthook...I agree that a guthook-equipped knife is a poor shortcut for experience in field dressing big game...the guthook on the Alpha Folder, according to Buck, was designed and tested prior to its incorporation on that particular knife...yea, right I said, after having used and abandoned 2-3 other brands of Guthook-equipped knives. I used it that Fall on an Antelope. The guthook performed flawlessly and to perfection. Kudos to Buck for getting it right! But they are still largely unwanted by experienced hunters....if you do want a working one, the Alpha Folder will do it nicely...
 
My new XT3B arrived today after a nearly monthlong transaction, and I gave it the now familiar "Blankmeister" examination, both from an asthetic and user viewpoint. Conclusion? It is as well made as the others of this series I have obtained and, while I may not use it but add it to my display, it is one like the camp knife that begs to be used.

The TPR handle is well moulded, though the mold seams are more visible than the others. There is a little flash, and the gate is cut not quite as smooth. The mold temperature, as always, was good. The ribs are well placed even for inverted use, and this may be where the idea of the common mold originated, as the guthook is most often used in the inverted hold.

The epoxy coat on the blade is even with a crisp laser etch. The final grind is a bit rough, but a few passes with the hone will put it in the slick. As I said, most of the last production Schrades have had a less than perfect edge. The guthook has a very wide mouth (1/4" or so), a squared cutting surface with radiused corners. I am guessing this is an improvement over the relatively narrow mouth and rounded cutter of the 143OT Bladerunner.

The only visual imperfection found on the others in this series is on the thong hole liner which is properly chamfered for depth and tightness,but the chamfering is rough (radial gouges). I noticed right away that these are smooth on the XT3B, so it was indeed possible to do it on the others.

The ballistic cloth sheath is very well designed and made as well, and swelled to accomodate the larger belly of this blade, also using the tricot-like lining. It will perhaps work with the XT2B, but not vice versa.

Like the other three in the series I already reviewed, it is a well designed knife. And an especially good deal for the $11 I paid, 1/6th of the $69.45 MSRP. There are three or four smaller "X" series folders out there and in time, I will acquire examples of them.

Codger Blankmeister
 
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