Another one that ticks me off

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Here is another one on ebay that ticks me off and to me is very misleading.

It's an obvious switchblade and he says it looks like a factory conversion.

I will say that Buck hasn't ever made any of these conversions. That I know of. Someone correct me please if I am wrong.

Is amusing how he uses the word Conversion and other wording to get around saying switchblade because he would be banned from ebay.

Don't get me wrong here as to what the knife is. I have 5 conversions and any of mine look better than this one.

The part implying it is a factory "conversion" is what gets to me. That and the fact that he doesn't say that it voids any warranties. Maybe I will just send him an email :mad:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Buck-110-Conver...606593275QQcategoryZ63792QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
Appears to be a single action also (no notch in the blade).

His ad reads "They use a Ball Detent system to convert these." I have one of the dual actions...and there is no ball detent in the duals. I've never seen or handled a single action...do they use ball detents? If so, why?

He even left his name and home town in the ad. Nice of him. :)
 
That guy just sent me a reply from asking him if that knife had a warranty.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

{I imagine it carries the same kind of warranty that a standard 110 carries but I really don't know.I haven't read the warrenty card with the knife.}

Is he ever un-informed.....
 
chickentrax said:
Appears to be a single action also (no notch in the blade).

His ad reads "They use a Ball Detent system to convert these." I have one of the dual actions...and there is no ball detent in the duals. I've never seen or handled a single action...do they use ball detents? If so, why?
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Some of mine are single action. How would I tell if they used ball detent or not?
 
Pack Rat said:
Some of mine are single action. How would I tell if they used ball detent or not?
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Hopefully, somebody else here will know (I've never examined one). I can see all the parts in my dual action, and there are no balls or detents. Just that oval lever with a tang sticking down inside that engages the spring. The blade has a cutout in it so that the tang doesn't touch the blade (only the spring). It also uses a custom longer spring. And a stud & screw for the rockerbar pivot.
 
chickentrax said:
Hopefully, somebody else here will know (I've never examined one). I can see all the parts in my dual action, and there are no balls or detents. Just that oval lever with a tang sticking down inside that engages the spring. The blade has a cutout in it so that the tang doesn't touch the blade (only the spring). It also uses a custom longer spring. And a stud & screw for the rockerbar pivot.
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Ok, I'll give a shot at trying to describe mine.

The double action either opens with the long oval button (similar to the photo in the ebay one) or as a normal 110. I feel no difference in openinng (or closing) it manully than a regular 110. The rocker pin has a phillips head on opposite side of the button. Rest of it looks as normal 110

The single action has a round button, an allen head screw in the blade pivot pin, backside, smooth flush on tang side. Scale pins and rocker pins are normal.

It won't open manully.

When closing it, there is a definite click at about 10:30 or a half left in Army talk. If you let go of the lock bar it will hold in that position and not go back to full open unless you push the button.
But it will go to close and lock without having to continuing to hold the lock bar as a normal 110.

When closed, blade is locked. Must push the button to open. Again, must continue to hold the button all the way to full open/lock.

All this with a right hand operation and able to see the tang side of the blade. A rightie naturally operates it with thumb. A leftie wouldn't have any trouble operating it with index finger.

Just noticed that the button stays depressed when locked open. It pops out when blade goes back past half left with the sudible click.

I would say this one has the ball detent.

me the diagnostic technician.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Pack Rat said:
I would say this one has the ball detent.

me the diagnostic technician.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Good description! ;) :thumbup:

Does the blade have a through-hole, or a blind hole??? I posted a pic once of the two actions shown together...I'll have to see if I can find it...
 
chickentrax said:
Good description! ;) :thumbup:

Does the blade have a through-hole, or a blind hole??? I posted a pic once of the two actions shown together...I'll have to see if I can find it...
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Green is the double. FG wood is the single action....if this is what you were asking.
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Pack Rat said:
Green is the double. FG wood is the single action....if this is what you were asking.
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I've not seen that style single action before...these are the two I'm familiar with...

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The top one here might use a ball/detent...the blade hole doesn't appear to go all the way through...
 
Pack Rat said:
...FG wood is the single action...
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I'd be curious to know how that SA mechanism works...Your green one, plus the two I posted, all use "teeter-totter" buttons [with a pin through the middle]...push one end down, the other end lifts (and releases the blade)...but how does pushing that SA button release the blade??? It looks like it has the same position in the scale as the notch in the blade...so the button must line up with...what???...

...Hmmmm...???... :confused:

Edit: Does the button go all the way through the knife??? To the other side, I mean???
 
chickentrax said:
Edit: Does the button go all the way through the knife??? To the other side, I mean???
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Nope,,,button is just on the front side. I have no idea who built it.

I can"t see anything inside it that would give a clue.
 
ok.. here goes again.....

Depressing the Button......

The shaft is what I will call a spring loaded 2 stage shaft, with the bottom half of the shaft being a larger diameter and depressing fully into the back scale. When you depress the button, the larger half of the shaft drops into the handle and a spring somewhere deploys the blade to open/lock as a normal 110. The larger part of the shaft stays in the handle as long as the blade is open.

When you press the rear lock bar to close the blade, when the rear edge of the blade clears the smaller diameter of the shaft, the larger diameter pops up and apparently the cut out in the blade locks in around it at full close and that is what keeps it locked..

whew.... a mouthful for someone as mechanically non-technical as I am.
My camera will record a movie. Maybe I could do one operating the button and blade manully to where it would be viewable. Don't know how good the camera would do in macro...
 
The one shown in the auction looks like the China import to me...I have seen several of them...they came out about 3 months ago...I think this is one...
 
tom19176 said:
The one shown in the auction looks like the China import to me...
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Meaning that it's not a real Buck??? Counterfeit items and fraudulent advertising on eBay??? :eek: :eek: :eek: Say it ain't so, Joe... :D

I have seen some 110 clones advertised on BA, BB, and TKA...

In fact, while looking for vacuum filters at Sears, I saw a 110 clone hanging on the rack...not with the pocket knives, but among the misc tools...no tang stamp (that I could see; a clampack), but not labeled as a Buck either...and not cheap (but I don't recall how much)...
 
There is a China knock off that has been imported as a switchblade from the factory in China.....good copies, with a half serrated blade....looks like the picture that started this tread.....they sell on BA for $29...come with a leather sheath
 
I have one of the China couterfiets. They etched BUCK, USA on the blade, not even a stamp.
Could someone please email me and tell me what BA is? Thanks,
 
Joe Houser said:
I have one of the China couterfiets. They etched BUCK, USA on the blade, not even a stamp.
Could someone please email me and tell me what BA is? Thanks,
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Hi Joe,

I think BA is for Bladeaution, here is the link to the site.

http://www.bladeauction.com/phpauction/index.php?

I see some of the "Buck Rendition" knives they have listed come with a sheath that is stamped "Buck Knife". I can't tell whats on the knife blade :grumpy: .

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