Another Skills challenge idea - fire with charcloth

kgd

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Okay, this challenge was one that was stimulated by discussions taking place in another thread. The challenge is another fire skill set, but one that is a bit different then what I have seen in the past. Here it goes.

Rick Marchand always recommends that its great to have some charcloth (he also recommends having fine steel wool) in your kit. Charcloth, as everybody knows works great with flint and steel to catch a spark. You then wrap the embered charcloth in jute or a flash tinder and blow it into flame. I think charcloth always gets the short end of the stick when talking about flint and steel because people get excited and focused on generating the spark more so then the real technical advantage of being able to blow an ember into flame. In fact the real advantage is that wind is your ally rather than your enemy in this endeavor.

So, neglecting the flint & steel part, this challenge is to document use of (ignition by alternate method e.g. firesteel or use the sparker from a dead lighter) to ignite charcloth into an ember and then blow wood shavings into flame with that charcloth. Yep - this one is a bit of a bigger challenge and I haven't done it yet but I plan on doing it tomorrow during my walk. So, to clarify, I'm not asking you to blow jute or phragmites fluff or any of the usual natural tinders into flame. I want you to blow wood shavings. This will require a larger swatch of charcloth than you would use for the above mentioned flash tinders. I'm pretty sure it can be done because I have successfully blown fine wood shavings into flame from a bowdrill ember before.

Don't forget to document your achievement (or lack thereof) and consider the question.....Would you now consider taking along a little bit of charcloth in a waterproof container in your kit to help you with those windy situations where a lighter and match might fail?

Good luck and I'll put up my trials tomorrow afternoon.
 
Sounds like fun. I think I have enough char cloth that's already made up left in my kit for this. It is supposed to be sunny with highs in the low 60s this weekend so I'll give it a shot tomorrow while I am out. I have done some experiments with char cloth myself lately, and having a method where the breeze actually works in your favor is definitely a plus!
 
Ok Ken this is my GO!

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THANKS Ken!!
 
Perfect Jason!

My video is now uploaded. Apologies in advance for the homoerotic music - youtube kept scrubbing my audio when using copyrighted music.

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Here's my buddy Joe who did another flint & steel video that same day!

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Very cool, and the music wasn't that bad. What knife is Joe using in the second video to get his spark?
 
Very cool, and the music wasn't that bad. What knife is Joe using in the second video to get his spark?

He was using a mora clipper to ember up the charcloth. Since Joe has discovered custom knives, he's less and less inclined to score up the spine of his customs :) The knife he was using for his wood prep was an Iz Turley Green River.
 
Way to go Ken and Joe. The vids were great.

I hope Joe never has to use your undies:eek: Ken. If that were to ever happen don't post about it lol lol.
Some things should just be keep private:D

Bryan
 
Way to go Ken and Joe. The vids were great.

I hope Joe never has to use your undies:eek: Ken. If that were to ever happen don't post about it lol lol.
Some things should just be keep private:D

Bryan

Unfortunately Bryan, I have a habit of airing out my dirty laundry in public....
 
Today in the pouring rain a friend and I headed out to walk a loop that I do.This areas is where the local crosscountry ski club has many trails and a small cabin.There are also hundreds on KMs of mountain bike trails.Nice walking area as you are usually alone on the trails
I decided to try this challenge after reading the posts and watching the vids (nice work by the way)
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A piece of firewood
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I shaved enough for a bundle
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Then a spark on the charcloth
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Blowing it all to life
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Success
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Like most fire making techniques proper preparation and a plan will bring you a fire
Dan'l
 
Great stuff dboles! Looks like an awesome place to practice your skills. Thanks for posting!
 
I gave this a shot last night, I had never made char cloth before, but I had an empty altoids tin and an old white tshirt so I fired up the gas grill. The first batch went well and when it stopped smoking all the cloth was black, the second batch, the top layer was brown and didn't keep a spark like the black cloth. Anyway, here are some pics:


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Excellent Keyser, sounds like your second batch needed a bit more time. It could be that it was lifted off the tin and insulated to some extent from the air. When I make a large batch, I usually fill up a big candy tin with half a hand towel. I fill the tin right up and when I'm done on the BBQ, I add brickettes to the sides and top and just let it sit there overnight or until the coals are ashed. Usually works, but sometimes there is a few pieces in the center that are just brown in the middle and charred at the sides.
 
Thanks for the tip. I did put it back on and let it set for several more minutes and it wouldn't smoke at all so I just took it off. I was excited enough one batch turned out, ha.
 
Not a full set of pics...I learned I can either blow it in to flames or show pics of the char embering....

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On to KGD's skills challenge #2!

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When employing charcloth, I typically use a jute and wood shavings bundle wrapped around the embering cloth. I've never tried using charcloth only to bring shavings to ignition, so I looked forward to giving this a go. I have wrapped a damp paper towel (just wiped my hands with it) around an embering charcloth in the past and have brought it to flame, so I've always been impressed with how well charcloth can ignite things. With that experience, I was pretty confident going in to this practice.

I left the charcloth in the dish for this challenge so I could keep it all in the shot; normally I wrap it up in a bundle and hold it up above my face to blow on it. Since I was leaving it in the dish, I figured I'd try a charcloth taco/wind-canyon...worked well enough :)

I was hoping to continue on to your third challenge, Ken, but I'll have to postpone it a bit longer. Didn't have the opportunity this weekend to make a fire large enough for water boiling.

Good stuff! Thanks for pushing these skills threads, you rock :thumbup:
 
I took these pics for a BCUSA class elective and thought I'd put them up here. This is a fire already going in my pit Which I used a piece of flint and an old file to get going and the goal here was to produce and document the making of charcloth. So I used flint & steel plus some charred cloth from last week to make this fire so I could produce more Charred cloth.


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