Anti-hunter outdoor forums?

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I've been reading an outdoor forum for several years and I am often tempted to join so that I can enjoy the discussions. But every time I am tempted, the subject of wildlife and/or hunting comes up and the strongest personalities there show an unreasonable bias against hunters in general.

For the most part, they are all for habitat preservation and wildlife restoration programs, except when those programs involve hunter participation (hunting, culling, funding). I frequently read their heartfelt prose on "preservation", but IMHO, their idea of preservation is unrealistic. They seem to feel that it entails the banning of hunting, ATVs, horses, ranchers and their livestock, anything but what benefits them directly as the backpacking elite and fits into their vision of the natural balance of nature. Which seems to be the non-involvement of mankind in wilderness management.

Wolves, lions and bears are a hot button topic there, as on many outdoor sites. And the leading posters are self-proclaimed experts on their management, though the few there who actually are game biologists, wardens, rangers, etc. avoid those subjects like the plague because of the emotional mess that invariably ensues. It is a pity really, because there is a lot of good knowledge there to be shared. But it keeps me from joining because I know I couldn't stop myself from responding to some of the hyperbolic posts demeaning hunters and hunting in general.

Know what I mean Vern? So anyway, I appreciate the civility of most hunting discussions here. Thanks guys and gals.
 
Hunting is your buddy! I love the anti-hunters that blither on and on about preserving this and green that. The dopes don't realize just how much hunters and fishermen do directly and indirectly for habitat and for the game they pursue.


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That is a part of my problem. I am old enough that I do realize the role hunters and fishermen have played in species restoration and habitat preservation. I also understand that proper management of wildlife, as well as trees, is not a hands-off proposition. And much of the funding for wildlife agencies, state and Federal, come from license fees and surcharges on hunting and fishing gear. Seasons, individual limits and annual harvest numbers are set by biologists whose job is to ensure the health of the populations at sustainable levels. Left entirely to predators, there would be wild boom and bust swings with both the animals (predator and prey) and the habitat less healthy in the long run. It makes it difficult to not respond to the nincompoopery.
 
I think part of the problem is the ever present "White Trash" hunters out there. I am talking about hunters that speed around in their 4x4's tossing empty beer cans all over, shooting signs, and disregarding any and all signs or restrictions.

My favorite hunting area for elk has become like this. Many of the hunters are an absolute disaster! Drunk, and shoot at anything that moves. Cows, people, hats, other hunters in blaze orange.

One camp, there are usually about 40 dudes there. All drinking like it is a frat party, running around with loaded guns.

I have been nearly run off the logging road more than once (one truck almost put us off the mountain. It was doing about 50 mph, with a full cab, and 5 guys in the truck bed with their guns laid over the hood................ that truck blazed passed us went around the corner, and ran smack into a bull dozed pit and berm and drunk hunters went flying!!!!!)


Heck, I had to restrain a guy we gave a ride up to the top of the mountain. He was a field hand for one of our friends, and we put him in the cruiser to save him an all day hike. We had to stop briefly to check a short (wire shorted out from contact). We were out of the Landcruiser, and he raised his gun to shoot something long before hunting was allowed. The sun was not going to make an appearance for at least another 1.5 hours. He got all excited and wanted to shoot a shadow that was moving. I stopped him, and had to argue with him about it. He almost shot some one's cow!!!! (the elk were much much too smart to have been any where near us, let alone standing still grazing as this yahoo argued with me about popping "a massive bull").




I think, many hunters are our own worst enemy. I have friends, or co workers that subscribe to "if it runs, its done, if I flies, it dies" theory.

Bragging about killing whole herds of animals!!!!!!!!







I just wish there was away to educate both anti hunters (give them a reality check about who contributes the real money to conservation and preservation of species by paying every season, and pumping money into the cause), and educate moron hunters that destroy our reputations.
 
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To be taught, one must first want to learn. Neither of the two groups you mention are so inclined. That is why I don't waste my time arguing with the people on that backpacking site. They have a stubborn air of moral superiority that will not be lessened by facts or common sense. Same for the beer hunters/slow elk hunters.

"Yes Mam! That shore is your elk! Just let me get my saddle off him first and you can have him!"
 
I agree with Codger... it's such a shame too. Responsible hunting is good for the herds, the freezer, and one's health. Wild meat is the best.
 
Hunting and gathering has been and still is a basic right. We are part of nature and its cycles. Hunting bennefits us by providing us with prime meats, and in return the herd stays healthy. I wouldn't bother arguing with the antis, the antis are anti everything including their belief that they can somehow separate themselves from nature and the land. It would be better to discuss the connection with the land right here in on BF than to spend endless time trying to convince the others in separate websites and clubs. It becomes like having too many irons in the fire.
 
I am raising two boys and trying to teach them to be good stewards. I am also trying to teach them that hamburger does not start at the grocery store, for them to eat, something dies and that they must show proper respect. It is very frustrating to try to teach this with so many ignorant people spouting off. I have had to tell them not to talk about hunting at school and we live in north ga! While I am getting wound up for a rant has any one noticed that outdoors gear is either back pack bright colors or cammo?
 
I have to say that it's different here in Washington that it was in Alabama. Hunting and fishing here in Washington is chock full of both of the groups you guys are talking about, while down south, it just seems to be more natural to hunt or fish. I actually met some really great hunting and fishing buddies just by sharing a conversation when in the field. I went salmon fishing here in Washington my first year with my 8 and 7 year old sons and some beligerent 30 year old man went up and cut my son's line because he said he was too close to him! People like that are oblivous to the fact that they are representing all fishermen and continued jackassery like that only fuels the anti-hunters and non-hunters to ban or restrict more and more.
 
White trash hunters. Yea those guys that drink beer and drive pickups(not land cruisers) are bad . Gimme a break.
 
So popping that Red a couple of acres over in that really high fence was bad? :D

They get out all the time. Biggest damn deer I've ever seen.

Just kidding. I don't drink alcohol or drive a 4 wheel drive.

People around my area hunt year around ; in or out of season. It seems to be some kind of cultural thing. My father has deer meat in his deep freeze year around. Uncles, cousins, friends etc all hunt constantly.

I can't risk it. I'm the popo and would lose my job.

I've grown up around it. It doesn't offend me, I don't even think about it. Its just part of my area IMO.
 
:thumbup:The Roberts-Pitman Act that sets aside tax money from ammo, gun,license etc sales for fish and wildlife conservation efforts just had a 75th birthday. Without it we would probably have the same restrictive hunting/fishing regs that they suffer with in Europe. Thanx to Teddie Roosevelt for that one.--KV
 
kvaughn said:
:thumbup:The Roberts-Pitman Act that sets aside tax money from ammo, gun,license etc sales for fish and wildlife conservation efforts just had a 75th birthday. Without it we would probably have the same restrictive hunting/fishing regs that they suffer with in Europe. Thanx to Teddie Roosevelt for that one.--KV
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Exactly. Not to mention the money realized from licenses, duck stamps, trout stamps, RMEF, Quail Unlimited, NWTF, Ducks Unlimited, etc. And the economic impact of the participation in the sports that the local economies reap. Many timber companies would be hard pressed to be profitable without the money that hunters pay in lease fees in some states.
 
I like asking the anti's how much money they spend yearly to wildlife and conservation funds, how many hours and days do they volunteer on the annual shoreline cleanup drive etc........

Then point out the licensing fee's, tags and time I spend. 90% of them do nothing but complain and lobby without giving back and I point that out very clearly, changes the tone of the conversation sharply when done calmly without rhetoric....on both sides. Most tend to peter out quickly after the jingoistic catch phrases they spout don't get a rise and have to enter debate on something they know very little about.

I don't shy away from the debate, gets my blood going and the Irish comes out in me clawing past the 3/4 German stoicism with bluster and blarney for all.
 
Brad "the butcher";10479469 said:
I don't shy away from the debate, gets my blood going and the Irish comes out in me clawing past the 3/4 German stoicism with bluster and blarney for all.
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That's a worthy signature line! I like it! :D
 
Brad "the butcher";10479469 said:
I like asking the anti's how much money they spend yearly to wildlife and conservation funds, how many hours and days do they volunteer on the annual shoreline cleanup drive etc........

Then point out the licensing fee's, tags and time I spend. 90% of them do nothing but complain and lobby without giving back and I point that out very clearly, changes the tone of the conversation sharply when done calmly without rhetoric....on both sides. Most tend to peter out quickly after the jingoistic catch phrases they spout don't get a rise and have to enter debate on something they know very little about.

I don't shy away from the debate, gets my blood going and the Irish comes out in me clawing past the 3/4 German stoicism with bluster and blarney for all.
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That's very true. It seems that those types of people simply support legislation that sounds like it will fix their perceived problems. Maybe there are some that contribute real time and dollars, but they are visibly the minority.

A huge portion of the DNR's revenue comes from hunting and fishing licenses, not even including the money and effort by other private groups. Where do some people think this money will come from if they eliminate or severely restrict hunting and fishing? Are they prepared to pay huge fees for access to State and Federal lands to make up the shortfall?
 
i simply suggest we 'hunt' libs...;)
who cares what those fools think...
here in MT we call them 'wolf and bear bait'...:D
thats if we dont get to the wolves and bear first, or sissy little urban libs... stay in suburbia, if you do not know the truth... or come on out and hug a wolf, while they are eating a elk calf...or moose...or deer...;)
and let us not forget about the mountain lion...

point is; the "anti" hunting crowd are fools and have no idea about reality... they eat tofu and beans...drive fancy cars while they talk on their i-phones with their mommy and daddys checks. while trying to save the planet... libs simply piss me off... nuff said...!

fish heads...!
 
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Nah. I guess I am more of one to let them continue on in their ignorance. That is why I resist the urge to sign in on that forum and give them back better than they give. And they can't be classified so neatly as liberals either. Not everyone out of touch with the reality of living with the natural world is a liberal.
 
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