ANVIL ID help?

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I mentioned to my brother my need for an anvil from time to time in my tinkering career....he says..." I think I know where I can get you one".....so he shows up with this a couple days later. He's an art teacher at a high school and said that this one has been sitting around in a "catch-all" stock room for years. His principle told him to take it, he would be doing his part to help clean out the room.
I was wondering if any of youz guys can tell me anything about it.....I can't make out all that's on the logo on the side, but it says VULCAN, and I think an arm and hammer figure, and a couple words I can't make out. It also has the number 4 near the base of it. It is 13" long and 7" tall, weighs about 40#...perfect size for my needs, as I am not a maker of knives, just a tinkerer, and all-around good guy.:D
The good solid/heavy stand came with it too.:thumbup:
 

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That is a Vulcan. It should weighs 4 stone, or about 56 pounds.

Thanks, I have no way of weighing it, so 56# it is....
That unit of measure (stones) is it not a European standard? or just an OLD std.?
 
Stone is and imperial weight unit. It is still used to some degree in the Commonwealth nations, but has pretty much been replaced by metric. One stone is about 14 pounds . Eight stone makes a hundred weight. In days past, there was a standard stone set kept in most towns that was tested against the royal unit stone set ,kept in London ( and other places). A town's stones could be easily checked, and twenty-seven pounds was not an unreasonable weight to transport about. A weight set of standards consisted of :
1-stone
1- half stone
1 - three pounder
1 - two pounder
1 - one pounder
With this set of standards any weight up to "one stone-thirteen" ( 27#) could be accurately weighed. Heavier weights could be made up by multiples of the stone standard.

Most Anvils were marked in this way:
Hundred weight - quarter hundredweight- pounds
Hundredweight = 112 pounds
quarter hundredweight = 28 pounds
pound = one pound
. Thus 3-3-7 = 427 pounds (336+84+7 )

Smaller anvils were marked in stone and pounds, often just in stone.

Thus 4-3 = 59 pounds ( 4X14 + 3 = 59) ,or, 4 = 56 pounds ( 4X14=56)
Once in a while you will see one marked with four numbers. This is hundred weight- quarter weight-stone-pound. This is not common.

The reason for marking anvils the way they did was the weights used to measure the anvil on a large balance beam scale. A weight set would be :
3 - hundredweight weights
3 - quarter hundredweight weights
1 - stone weight weight
1 - half-stone weight
1 - three pound weight
1 - two pound weight
1 - one pound weight

This would weigh an anvil up to 447 pounds. All the weights could be moved to the balance by hand.
You would mark the big weights as they were counted and add up the small weights in you head. Calculators were not available, and fingers and toes stopped at twenty,so there was seldom any marking higher than twenty used for the final number ( even if it was actually between 21 and 27). Often the last number is only a single digit ( which meant the weigher didn't need to take his shoes off). Counting/adding to ten was easy, but most people could not add up totals in the hundreds accurately ( if at all) so the 3-3-7 system worked well.

Sadly, with the reliance on calculators and computers today, the average sales clerk can't add up the total , or make change, any better than the illiterate smith's apprentice five hundred years ago could. I can't tell you how many times I have handed the clerk six cents in coin after they have already entered the twenty dollar bill I handed them for a $16.06 sale and they had no idea what to give me because the register says :"Change Due - $3.94".

Don't even get me started on how confusing the old British monetary system was. Suffice to say that it was derived for the same reasons as anvil marking, using, pounds-shillings-pence, For example, 327 pence ( today 3.27), was: one, seven, and threepence.

Stacy Elliott Apelt, FSA,Scot
 
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Is this a good anvil? When where they made? There is a 20 stone available around me now for $425. It has a sort of busted up horn though. Worth it? The edges look good.

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The face on that anvil looks really good. The horn doesn't. If it's 20 stone, or 280 lbs, $425 would be about a buck fifty a pound. That seems all right in this case, a knifemaker doesn't use the horn that much and the face looks good. Test the rebound though, tap all over the faceplate as well. The Vulcans can be really serviceable, but also can have issues with a separating faceplate. If you hear a funky area or feel a real dead spot, it could be an issue.

I'd probably show up with $400 cash and offer that. Must be the cheapskate in me, but I'd try to talk out of that extra $25 on account of the busted horn. 280 lbs. is a nice big anvil. It looks big too, in that truck bed.
 
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