Any Class 03 FFL C&R Holders? Question.

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christcl

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To whom as the Chief Law Enforcement Officer did you submit the required copy to?

I went to my local police station and the officers did not know what to do with it and subsequently had to decline acceptance of my application.

Thanks for any help!
 
Your CLEO resides in your county seat and is a matter of record... sometimes they're cooperative and sometimes they're not, but either way if you have clean record, there's almost no reason not to grant it.

Mine took 5 months. Some people get the C&R in like 6 weeks.


Mike
 
I don't have my C&R yet but I've looked at it several times. I was under the impression that notifying the CLEO was just a matter of sending him a copy of the appropriate form. It's a notification, not any approval needed. Are there options for CLEO like City Police Chief or Sherriff, can provide other options...
 
The Chief LEO can be the Chief of police, Sheriff, District Atty., District Judge.......I think even the Postmaster for your jurisdiction can sign it but I've never seen that one. That person can also designate someone within their agency to sign on behalf of the chief LEO.

Usually Sheriff's are more open to signing since their position is an elected one and they want to keep everyone happy.

As to the police dept. you went to, you could try to educate them. Signing the form does not mean they authorize you to purchase, or even make a statement as to your character. All they are saying is that they have no legal basis to believe you cannot own a firearm or NFA item.

This is basically a way for the ATF to notify local agencies that someone in their jurisdiction owns NFA items since they cannot outright notify local L.E. agencies themselves.

I re-read your original post. The above is in reference to NFA items. I don't know much about the C&R license.
 
When I got my C&R all I had to do was notify my CLEO (the chief of the local police). I don't believe there was any action required on his or her part. I believe the notification is more of a check to make sure issuing the license doesn't conflict with local laws and that the applicant is not a known rapscallion.

C&Rs are good deals, but the surplus market seems to be drying up fast. Check out www.surplusrifle.com for some great info about some of the most popular milsurps out there! There's also a comprehensive section on getting your C&R, and if you have further questions, the message board is helpful too.
 
thanks for all the replys! I wanted to get a CR so I could get one of those Ishapore 2A1 7.62 NATO rifles without the hassle of a DROS and unfriendly dealer before the supply dried out forever.
 
christcl said:
thanks for all the replys! I wanted to get a CR so I could get one of those Ishapore 2A1 7.62 NATO rifles without the hassle of a DROS and unfriendly dealer before the supply dried out forever.
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They're nice rifles, but get ready to do some scrubbing. I'm in the process of stripping off that black paint (stoving) off mine. Some people re-preserve it with more stoving, but 2a's not a historical piece to me. (History of the 1960s? :confused:)


Mike
 
This language is excerpted from an online guide on how to obtain a C&R license:

"Send the ATF form and payment to the address listed on the back of the form. You can mail out the CLEO copy the same time you send your form to ATF, you do not need to wait on any response from the CLEO. It is their duty to contact ATF if they have an issue with your application. The CLEO copy does not need payment information attached."

Here is the site:

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/howtogetyourcurionrelicffl03/index.asp (It does not appear to have been updated for a while.)

Got my C&R license a while back, but haven't yet used it. (Kids wanting food, clothes and such... ;))

Eric
 
What do you guys think if I mailed the CLEO to my county sheriff headquarters with an introductory/explanation letter on top of the application copy the same time i mail it to the ATF?

Can the ATF deny a license if say they contact my sheriff's office and they dont have it because they didnt know what to do with it since it was mailed?

I called my county ATF and the answerer directed me to a voicemail--however they have yet to call me back and verify my course of action

Eric006 said:
This language is excerpted from an online guide on how to obtain a C&R license:

"Send the ATF form and payment to the address listed on the back of the form. You can mail out the CLEO copy the same time you send your form to ATF, you do not need to wait on any response from the CLEO. It is their duty to contact ATF if they have an issue with your application. The CLEO copy does not need payment information attached."

Here is the site:

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/howtogetyourcurionrelicffl03/index.asp (It does not appear to have been updated for a while.)

Got my C&R license a while back, but haven't yet used it. (Kids wanting food, clothes and such... ;))

Eric
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I wanted the Ishy more so for economic reasons--clean, recent surplus 7.62 NATO that can be used at the range is easier to find and cheaper than .303 and 8mm.

Plus, the quick bolt cycling and 10 rd mag of an Enfield is as close as I'll be able get to match my friends and their semi-auto AR 15S right now in California ;).

Ad Astra said:
They're nice rifles, but get ready to do some scrubbing. I'm in the process of stripping off that black paint (stoving) off mine. Some people re-preserve it with more stoving, but 2a's not a historical piece to me. (History of the 1960s? :confused:)


Mike
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christcl said:
I wanted the Ishy more so for economic reasons--clean, recent surplus 7.62 NATO that can be used at the range is easier to find and cheaper than .303 and 8mm.

Plus, the quick bolt cycling and 10 rd mag of an Enfield is as close as I'll be able get to match my friends and their semi-auto AR 15S right now in California ;).
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You live in California? :confused:

um... the 2a has a 12-round magazine; thought that wasn't OK for you guys.

Might want to check the legality. Just saying.

From somewhere on the web-

""...the Defense Ministry opted to use existing (production) equipment to produce a new rifle based on the proven Lee-Enfield design. The resulting Rifle 2A is a masterpiece of innovation and adaptation. Using high grade EN steel and more advanced heat treatment for the receiver to handle the additional pressure generated by the 7.62mm round, a new barrel, a 12 round (instead of 10 round) magazine, and a buttstock with a higher comb to handle the additional recoil, the Rifle 2A is - in all other respects - a No. 1 Mk III Lee-Enfield. It should be noted that at no time was this rifle ever intended for use as a first line infantry weapon (the lessons of 1962 had been learned well) but was always intended for issue to police, paramilitary, and line of communication personnel. The 2A began to enter service in 1964."


However, this one sales site says

"1960's era Enfield Ishapore 2A rifles. Very Good condition, will show some finish and stock wear. Wood stocks. 308 caliber with removable 10-11rd magazine. No bayonet included. C&R eligible."

So. :confused:

You do want the bayonet, BTW. The English one I got is 18" long and really completes the rifle.

Mike
 
I'm going to request an Ishapore with a 10 rd magazine when I order from JGsales, to comply with draconia Californian laws. :D

Well, DOJ has already cashed my check--meaning they've received it and are reviewing it.

Whats the wait time on average? Feels like all the guns I want with it are gonna be gone when I get it!
 
christcl said:
Feels like all the guns I want with it are gonna be gone when I get it!
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They won't be gone, but they might be more expensive.

K31s have gone from $119-129 to almost $200; Russian-captured Mauser K98's were mostly low twos, now high twos.

Mosin's will be $79 for a while, I think. :D


Mike
 
Don't know anything about these. This is an autoloader you're talking about?

I was looking at some surplus rifles last month. I know Mike and Steve, Joe and Dave and others have bought them and fixed them up.

The local Big 5 sports has a Moisin-Nagant M44 that is a nice little rifle. It's the only Moisin model there that appeals to me. The stock needs some work, but I can handle that. (I also see replacement stocks for sale, but several people have told me the advertised "drop-in" is pretty wishful thinking and they will need some tweaking.)

The M44 has an integral bayonet that folds down very neatly to the side of the barrel. I'm sure you guys have seen it.

They want more for it than the other longer barreled Moisin they have in stock: $179. Seems pretty fair to me for what you get. The bore on the one I looked at looked pretty decent. The breech was clean and all the metal work was very good. They had a block in the trigger guard and wouldn't let me dry fire it (I figured a .308 snap cap would fit fine if they were concerned about the firing pin), or check the pull weight.

Only poor part of the rifle was the dinged up stock, and like I said, I can fix that.

Thanks for any info.

Norm
 
In my part of the world the Chief Law Enforcement Officer is my county sheriff, a good man indeed.
 
Norm, Mosin-Nagant M44's are great rifles, for what they are: durable, cheap... and cheap and durable. :p

The ATI synthetic stock was a drop-in on one of mine, no probs.

The Ishapore rifles referred to are bolt-action Enflields in 7.62x51 NATO- good thing to have.

Just don't pay too much. I got 3 "scratch & dent" M44's once for less than that figure quoted. Start looking at "Shotgun News" to get an idea of what to pay. Guy I work with got utterly ho$ed at a gun show. :o

Cosmoline, a guy at THR, has an excellent thread going on over there right now on how to pick a milsurp. Recommended reading.


Mike
 
Southern Ohio Gun was the source of my M44. Took off bayonet.

Shoots better than I do.

Only milsurp bargain on the market right now, IMO, for real-time use. Still cheap-ish mil ammo, typical price hunting ammo.

But AA is the collector/evaluator/hoarder and he knows best. Some importers check with him before deciding if there will be enough profit to import old milsurp stuff. :)
 
Meh. I just read a lot; Kismet's the guy who's living off venison he's shot with a Mosin-Nagant. His M44 survived the battle for Stalingrad, before heading to a really cold place- Wisconsin. :p

Mike
 
Hmmm, so far the Mosins never appealed to me so for now I dont plan to get one. Although I do remember an article from surplus firearms magazine that described the long folding bayonet as having terrorized both peasant and Bolshevik alike....

The main attraction of the Ishapore to me are the fast bolt cycling, 10 rd magazine, and of course--the 7.62 NATO caliber, ensuring ammo availability for the near future...

Do you all clean out mil surps yourself or have a professional do that?
 
:eek:

You don't need a professional. The local auto parts store is your friend. I use money-saving generic brand brake cleaner to get cosmo off, generic WD-40 & engine cleaner for grime loosening.

I'd smoke generic cigarettes and drink generic beer to save money, but I gave up those things- in order to save money.


Mike :o YMMV
 
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