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Any Curio & Relic gun collectors here?
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While I don't have my C & R (yet?) I do like to collect C &R guns.
Mosins are great, you'll find yourself going to every store and asking to see each one of them on the rack to see if they have any unique variants. People at the stores think I'm nuts. They don't understand why you hand some right back to them and then take a few minutes to look at others. At one store I found out that the firearms guy was a mosin collector himself, it was nice to have some one to chat with, but I knew anything crazy that came in would never make it onto the floor.
Check out the Swiss K-11, from what I've heard pretty much the entire inventory from Switzerland has been sold off, and when they're gone they're gone. Aside from the pain of finding ammo (forget about trying to find cheap ammo unless you handload) it's a really cool gun (straight pull bolt) and they're usually pretty accurate.
SKS are fun, Keep in mind that you can't alter a C & R rifle without having to then follow other import laws regarding maximum number of imported parts. But if you want to collect this shouldn't be an issue.
I can't speak towards the C & R pistols, I don't have any, but have been looking at the Tokarev as well as the Nagant revolver.
I've been holding off on getting my C & R simply because I know I would start spending way too much money on guns.
Mosins are great, you'll find yourself going to every store and asking to see each one of them on the rack to see if they have any unique variants. People at the stores think I'm nuts. They don't understand why you hand some right back to them and then take a few minutes to look at others. At one store I found out that the firearms guy was a mosin collector himself, it was nice to have some one to chat with, but I knew anything crazy that came in would never make it onto the floor.
Check out the Swiss K-11, from what I've heard pretty much the entire inventory from Switzerland has been sold off, and when they're gone they're gone. Aside from the pain of finding ammo (forget about trying to find cheap ammo unless you handload) it's a really cool gun (straight pull bolt) and they're usually pretty accurate.
SKS are fun, Keep in mind that you can't alter a C & R rifle without having to then follow other import laws regarding maximum number of imported parts. But if you want to collect this shouldn't be an issue.
I can't speak towards the C & R pistols, I don't have any, but have been looking at the Tokarev as well as the Nagant revolver.
I've been holding off on getting my C & R simply because I know I would start spending way too much money on guns.
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This is the only good reason not to get your C&R as far as I'm concerned.
Most of the popular firearms related internet retail sites (Midway, Brownell's, Numrich, etc.) allow you to join their dealer programs which can save you a ton of money. It can also work for you at gunshows. If a dealer is selling those kinds of weapons, he may give you a break since he doesn't have as many paperwork headaches to deal with. Be aware that not all dealers will accept a C&R and may make you go through the paperwork on a C&R eligble firearm.
Some people don't like the paperwork and having guns that are "in the system". I don't let that bother me, and the record keeping requirements are not that onerous.
Besides, there is nothing better than the UPS guy handing you a long box with a new treasure in it.
Go to Surplus Rifle Forumsthere's a ton of information there.
After you submit you paperwork, call your bank and ask them to up your credit limit....you'll need it.
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I have my C&R as I collect Colts. 1903s are my favorite. I do get a slight discount from dealers. I originally got my license so my uncle who also collects firearms can send a C&R eligible directly to me rather than to a dealer. The only downside is the feds can ask for your paperwork.
The other day I was looking at an IBM made M1 carbine. Champing at the bit for it but it is too much money. I picked up a 1903 a couple of months ago for $150. It is beat to all hell but still shoots straight. I plan to refinish it when I get the time.
The other day I was looking at an IBM made M1 carbine. Champing at the bit for it but it is too much money. I picked up a 1903 a couple of months ago for $150. It is beat to all hell but still shoots straight. I plan to refinish it when I get the time.
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I did long ago. Still have a few kicking around.Got rid of most of them after letting my C&R expire.
One tricky thing with a C&R here in CT. With a Collector FFL you/we are exempt from the background check for purchesing C&R firearms, both longarms and handguns.
BUT you/we are still required to have a pistol permit/certificate of elegibility to acquire /receive a handgun whithin this state.
So it is a wierd grey area. A distributor will ship a C&R handgun to you. You can buy one out of state. Possibly buy one from an in-state Dealer FFL without needing show a permit or certificate, as the background check is not needed.
The state will not know you received a handgun, but technically you are still required to have a Permit/Certificate, though no one needs to see/check it.
One tricky thing with a C&R here in CT. With a Collector FFL you/we are exempt from the background check for purchesing C&R firearms, both longarms and handguns.
BUT you/we are still required to have a pistol permit/certificate of elegibility to acquire /receive a handgun whithin this state.
So it is a wierd grey area. A distributor will ship a C&R handgun to you. You can buy one out of state. Possibly buy one from an in-state Dealer FFL without needing show a permit or certificate, as the background check is not needed.
The state will not know you received a handgun, but technically you are still required to have a Permit/Certificate, though no one needs to see/check it.
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Brooklyn Trading Post & Academy in Brooklyn is fairly decent. He generally has a selection around. Back in the day I scored a few nice ones off him. And he will honor a C&R FFL, not all dealers will. Some have no idea what one is.
I sold a few .45's and .38's through him when I got divorced, miss the guns
not the wife. Good couple of guys there.
If you happen to hear some very LOUD snoring from behind the counter don't worry. It is likely to be just two large Mastiffs taking a nap .
(one of the owners breeds them, they are friendly)
That is about the only one I know of somewhat close to you. I don't get down your way often.
I sold a few .45's and .38's through him when I got divorced, miss the guns
not the wife. Good couple of guys there.If you happen to hear some very LOUD snoring from behind the counter don't worry. It is likely to be just two large Mastiffs taking a nap .
(one of the owners breeds them, they are friendly)
That is about the only one I know of somewhat close to you. I don't get down your way often.
Well, technically Colt Woodsmans are C&R now, so, yes I am a collector.
I was in a store the other day and they had a Mosin-Nagant revolver in there. I have heard a lot about them on the internet, and after handling one, I'd say it would be a fine thing to hurl at an intruder if you needed something like that.
I was in a store the other day and they had a Mosin-Nagant revolver in there. I have heard a lot about them on the internet, and after handling one, I'd say it would be a fine thing to hurl at an intruder if you needed something like that.
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I have been looking for a Woodsman in good shape for awhile. The last one I looked at was a pre WW2. The owner wanted $700 and it was in bad shape. Another one that was in great shape w/a box was being sold for $1300.
I did long ago. Still have a few kicking around.Got rid of most of them after letting my C&R expire.
One tricky thing with a C&R here in CT. With a Collector FFL you/we are exempt from the background check for purchesing C&R firearms, both longarms and handguns.
BUT you/we are still required to have a pistol permit/certificate of elegibility to acquire /receive a handgun whithin this state.
So it is a wierd grey area. A distributor will ship a C&R handgun to you. You can buy one out of state. Possibly buy one from an in-state Dealer FFL without needing show a permit or certificate, as the background check is not needed.
The state will not know you received a handgun, but technically you are still required to have a Permit/Certificate, though no one needs to see/check it.
On an in state sale, they should still run NICS and do the DPS paperwork if the buyer has a 03 FFL. Connecticut's handgun transfer procedure law makes no exemption for transactions involving a licensed collector. The exemption only covers transactions between individuals/entities with manufacturer and dealer class (01,02,07,10) FFLs.
If the C&R holder (w/o permit or COE) left Connecticut to purchase the pistol (say on a trip to NH) and transported it straight back to their residence or business and kept it there, they should be legal under CT law. Those statutes only encumber transactions that occur in Connecticut. Receiving a pistol from a distributor would be in a dark grey area, because they are receiving it in Connecticut (though under conventional ICC rules the transaction is occurring in the seller's jurisdiction).
BY the same token, it would be legal for an individual without a permit or COE to convert a BP revolver to fire metallic cartridges as long as they did not remove it from theri fixed place of residence/ business.
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Newington Gun Exchange is pretty good for C&R type firearms as well. They usually maintain a solid rack of vintage military rifles and a number of vintage .22s as well. The YCGG has an antique gunshow twice per year- but that tends to be more collectible type firearms.
If you intend on buying any C&R guns mail order, get the license. You will break even+ on your first transaction.
The Nagant 1895 revolver is . . . interesting mechanically, and was a solution for a problem that didn't exist (gas loss at the cylinder). I cannot imagine trying to reload one during combat. And how about those weird "uncircumcised" looking cartidges??
I'll probably get one though - why not for 79 bucks?
The Soviets were able to take advantage of that feature and make a pretty nifty suppressed revolver out of the Nagant for KGB use. Not many revolvers can be effectively suppressed because of cyulinder gap issues.
Ah - the dinky caliber would've been an advantage for that sort of thing too.
The days of dirt cheap mil-surps are gone, for a couple of years now. Now the common variants are just cheap. While I let my C&R lapse two years ago, I'd be willing to bet that even with todays prices that the license fee can easily be the most expensive $30 you ever spend.