Any good recipes for pemmican or mince meat pie.

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Pemmican is a survival food and mince meat not so much.
But, living in the wilderness, a good mince meat pie is pure heaven, come Christmas or new year. My mother, RIP, had a recipe that she got from a friend down in California in the 40's. She canned up a whole lot less than the recipe called for. It ended up with my sister and was lost in a fire. I remember the kids fighting over the pie during the holidays. Anyway, food preservation is a valuable survival skill. So let some of us neophytes in on some secrets.
 
You really don't need a "recipe" for pemmican. It's just tallow (as pure as you can get it) and dried meat (so dry it cracks instead of bending). Powder the meat. Mix in approximately equal amounts until all meat is completely coated with tallow. Let dry.
You can use lard, but eventually lard will go rancid. Tallow, if pure, will last forever. But for short-term, lard will work alright.
You can mix in other things like dried berries, but it won't last as long. The berries will go bad eventually because of the sugar content. Again, for short-term it doesn't matter.
 
You really don't need a "recipe" for pemmican. It's just tallow (as pure as you can get it) and dried meat (so dry it cracks instead of bending). Powder the meat. Mix in approximately equal amounts until all meat is completely coated with tallow. Let dry.
You can use lard, but eventually lard will go rancid. Tallow, if pure, will last forever. But for short-term, lard will work alright.
You can mix in other things like dried berries, but it won't last as long. The berries will go bad eventually because of the sugar content. Again, for short-term it doesn't matter.

I remember reading somewhere that the meat should be sun dried to preserve the vitamins (like vitamin C)?
 
I know vitamin C can be destroyed by heat. I haven't heard of any other vitamins like that (but what do I know). Besides you don't eat meat for vitamins, you eat it for protein. You get vitamins from plants.
Using a dehydrator should be just fine, as long as you keep the temperature no higher than 120 degrees.
 
I can't testify that these are good, in fact they sound pretty nasty, but I think they are old school authentic. Personally, as an Englishman I sooner the "English Mince Meat" recipe offered later in the work, or even the "Mock Mince Pie" that includes "4 common crackers", whatever they may be.

These are from my 1918 Fanny Farmer Cookbook -

#20
Mince Pies
Mince pies should be always baked with two crusts. For Thanksgiving and Christmas pies,
Puff
Paste is often used for rims and upper crusts, but is never satisfactory when used for under
crusts.

#21
Mince Pie Meat I
4 lbs. lean beef
3 lbs. currants
2 lbs. beef suet
1/2 lb. finely cut
citron
Baldwin apples
1 quart cooking
brandy
3 quinces
1 tablespoon
cinnamon and mace
3 lbs. sugar
1 tablespoon
powdered clove
2 cups molasses
2 grated nutmegs
2 quarts cider
1 teaspoon pepper
4 lbs. raisins,
seeded and cut in
pieces
Salt to taste
Cover meat and suet with boiling water and cook until tender, cool in water in which they are
cooked; the suet will rise to top, forming a cake of fat, which may be easily removed. Finely
chop meat, and add it to twice the amount of finely chopped apples. The apples should be
quartered, cored, and pared, previous to chopping, or skins may be left on, which is not an
objection if apples are finely chopped. Add quinces finely chopped, sugar, molasses, cider,
raisins, currants, and citron; also suet, and stock in which meat and suet were cooked, reduced
to one and one−half cups. Heat gradually, stir occasionally, and cook slowly two hours; then
add
brandy and spices.

#22
Mince Pie Meat II
5 cups
chopped
cooked
beef
Juice 2 lemons
21/2 cups
chopped
suet
Juice 2
oranges
71/2 cups
chopped
apples
1 tablespoon
mace
3 cups
cider
Cinnamon
2
tablespoons
each
1/2 cup
vinegar
Clove
1 cup
molasses
Allspice
5 cups
sugar
2 nutmegs
grated
3/4 lb.
citron,
finely
chopped
2 tablespoons
lemon extract
21/2 cups
whole
raisins
1 teaspoon
almond
extract
11/2 cups
raisins,
finely
chopped

11/2 cups
brandy
Salt
3 cups liquor
in which beef
was cooked
Mix ingredients in the order given, except brandy, and let simmer one and one−half hours;
then
add brandy and shavings from the rind of the lemons and oranges.
 
baldtaco-II,

That first recipe #21 looks interesting. I'm thinking I might try it this year with some slight changes.
 
Pukka. I'm all for an explore, just never been tempted by these.

I do make a bunch of the meat free ones every so often. Christmas time isn't my favourite ones 'cos mah woman likes them round a shortcrust, kinda homebaked Kipling looking things. They're good but shortcrust isn't my favourite, plus they are labour intensive. For the rest of the year I get the lazy ones I prefer – big sheet of puff with the fruit mix in cut into squares when done.
 
I've tried making pemmican, using a similar method to the one given by attrecker. It was inedible. I don't know how hungry you would have to be to want to eat it, but I can think of several things I'd eat first. heck, just smearing fat on beef jerky would have been as effective, and easier to swallow. Not only was the flavor bad, but there was no way to actually get it down your throat, it was just a nasty slimy mess. I suspect that there is a step lost somewhere in history with these pemmican recipes. I know one old guy who claimed that you could only make an edible pemmican with buffalo meat and bear fat. (which I would not doubt) and that it was only really ever used as an over-winter food, so it was frozen most of the time, or if cached, buried very very deep. ( I don't honestly see that as terribly practical) The type of berry added may also be important, as sakatoons and currents can last a very long time on their own dried, and some other berries self-preserve.
I am interested for any more on this though.
 
The New Hunters Encyclopedia – revised edition 1966

PEMMICAN .A form of concentrated food ,originally made of
beans,corn,and dried meat, mixed and compressed in a roll,
which served as trail rations for the Indian. Several forms
of pemmican are now on the market.


Favorite Camping Recipes 2003

Saskatoon Pemmican
1 c Jerky; beef or venison
1 c Dried Saskatoon berries or dried blueberries
1 c Unroasted sunflower seeds or crushed nuts of any kind
2 ts Honey
1/4 c Peanut butter
1/2 ts Cayenne [optional]
This version uses peanut butter rather than melted suet or lard as the binding agent, which is more
palatable for today's health conscious diets.
Grind [or pound] the dried meat to a mealy powder. Add the dried berries and seeds or nuts. Heat
the honey, peanut butter and cayenne until softened. Blend. When cooled, store in a plastic bag or
sausage casing in a cool dry place. It will keep for months.


Camping and Woodcraft – Kephart 1957 p156

Pemmican.—The staple commissary supply of
arctic travelers, and of hunters and traders in the
far Northwest, is pemmican. This is not so palatable as jerky, at least when carelessly prepared;
but it contains more nutriment, in a given bulk,
and is better suited for cold climates, on account of
the fat mixed with it.
The old-time Hudson Bay pemmican was made
from buffalo meat, in the following manner: first
a sufficient number of bags, about 2x1^ feet, were
made from the hides of old bulls that were unfit
for robes. The lean meat was then cut into thin
strips, as for jerky, and dried in the sun for two or
three days, or over a fire, until it was hard and
brittle. It was then pounded to a powder between
two stones, or by a flail, on a sort of hide threshingfloor with the edges pegged up. The fat and marrow were then melted and mixed with the powdered
lean meat to a paste; or, the bags were filled with
the lean and then the fat was run in on top. After
this the mass was well rammed down, and the bags
were sewed up tight. No salt was used ; but the
pemmican thus prepared would keep sweet for years
in the cool climate of the North. A piece as large
as one's fist, when soaked and cooked, would make
a meal for two men. When there was flour in the
outfit, the usual allowance of pemmican was i ^ to
I ^2 pounds a day per man, with one pound of flour
added. This was for men performing the hardest
labor, and whose appetites were enormous. Service
berries were sometimes added. "Officers' pemmican" was made from buffalo humps and marrow.
Pemmican nowadaj^s is made from beef. Bleasdell Cameron gives the following details: A beef
dressing 698 pounds yields 47 pounds of first-class pemmican,47
pounds of second-class pemmican^
and 23 pounds of dried meat, including tongues, a
total of 117 pounds, dried. The total nutritive
strength is thus reduced in weight to one-sixth that
of the fresh beef. Such pemmican, at the time he
wrote, cost the Canadian government about forty
cents a pound, equivalent to six pounds of fresh
beef.
Pemmican is sometimes eaten raw, sometimes
boiled with flour into a thick soup or porridge
called robiboo, or, mixed with flour and water and
fried like sausage, it is kno^vn as rascho. The pemmican made nowadays for arctic expeditions is prepared from the round of beef cut into strips and
kiln-dried until friable, then ground fine and mixed
with beef suet, a little sugar, and a few currants.
It is compressed into cakes, and then packed so as
to exclude moisture. It can be bought ready-made
in New York, but at an enormous price when sold
in small quantity, and the tins add considerably to
the weight. If one has home facilities he can make
it himself. Leave out the sugar, which makes meat
unpalatable to most men. The sugar item should be
separate in the ration.

Encyclopedia of the Antarctic Vol 1. Beau Riffenburgh 2007

On Equine pemmican:

[Ref Shackleton's 10 Manchurian ponies from northern China], Their food consisted of
20 tons of maize, 1000 pounds of Maujee ration, known as ‘‘Equine pemmican’’ (dried beef, carrots, milk, currants, and sugar), and 10 tons of compressed fodder of oats, bran, and chaff obtained in Australia.
 
baldtaco-II, One ingredient that I see in the 'Camping and Woodcraft' pemmican is the use of marrow. I have golden currant on my property so perhaps I can get some large, fresh beef bones from the butcher and extract the marrow. Perhaps the marrow adds flavor to the dried meat and fat? I am interested in finding out if it is edible survival food.
 
Bo T, hola

I'm sure it does. I recall my mother eating it on toast.

I see it as a substance that has done a loop. Originally it would have been very highly prized because of the food value vs effort trade off. Later, much the same as many people regard offal, it becomes snubbed as a food of the poor. Then, much the same as offal again, as with Floyd on France [which is mostly French peasant recipes using offal], it enjoys somewhat of a resurgence. Heston Blumenthal immediately springs to mind as one that is using marrow - slow-roasted rib of beef with bone-marrow sauce.

You may well like this via this interesting place.
 
I've tried making pemmican, using a similar method to the one given by attrecker. It was inedible. I don't know how hungry you would have to be to want to eat it, but I can think of several things I'd eat first. heck, just smearing fat on beef jerky would have been as effective, and easier to swallow. Not only was the flavor bad, but there was no way to actually get it down your throat, it was just a nasty slimy mess. I suspect that there is a step lost somewhere in history with these pemmican recipes. I know one old guy who claimed that you could only make an edible pemmican with buffalo meat and bear fat. (which I would not doubt) and that it was only really ever used as an over-winter food, so it was frozen most of the time, or if cached, buried very very deep. ( I don't honestly see that as terribly practical) The type of berry added may also be important, as sakatoons and currents can last a very long time on their own dried, and some other berries self-preserve.
I am interested for any more on this though.

Yeah, I don 't think pemmican was prepared for the taste. Hard tack was another staple long ago. From what I recall pemmican was a mixture of dried meat, fat, berries, and nuts or acorns. What it lacked in flavor it probably more than made up for it in nutrition. A good trail mix with jerky added would probably please the modern palate.
 
Google "tourtiere"

It's a traditional French-Canadian meat pie.

Usually it's a mix of ground beef, pork and veal. Some families add onions, others potatoes...but they are all good on a cold winter's day:)

Extra filling is usually made and eaten on toast.
 
Sosa, I agree that flavor was probably low on the list, but this was unreal. Now, if you were trying to add protein to rendered fat, and were planning on being able to turn it into a broth of sorts, then its much more plausible. Thinking back, I don't think we used any salt either, which may make a difference. Also it was like trying to eat a mouthful of beeswax, it just kinda gunked up in the mouth and was hard to swallow.

I'm sure someone could make a longish lived high calorie food something like this. I wonder how long it actually lasted historically, and how much they were just willing to put up with to stave off starvation. I've always heard of pemican being a food, not a nutrition of last resort. If it was, it changes my view on things a bit.
 
It's good for at least 60 years.
http://kaga.wsulibs.wsu.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/clipping&CISOPTR=6506&CISOBOX=1&REC=15

And you have to remember that tallow is used to make both soap and candles. Don't expect to eat the stuff as-is. Put it in a pot and heat it until the tallow melts.
Ever cook a roast or ground beef and put leftovers in the fridge? When you take them out they have that hard, white stuff. Ever try to eat it cold? Pretty gross stuff. Melt it with the meat and it tastes great.
Anyway, if you're starving or it's in the middle of a cold winter, you'll love it, even cold. The body craves the fat.
 
Sosa, I agree that flavor was probably low on the list, but this was unreal. Now, if you were trying to add protein to rendered fat, and were planning on being able to turn it into a broth of sorts, then its much more plausible. Thinking back, I don't think we used any salt either, which may make a difference. Also it was like trying to eat a mouthful of beeswax, it just kinda gunked up in the mouth and was hard to swallow.

I'm sure someone could make a longish lived high calorie food something like this. I wonder how long it actually lasted historically, and how much they were just willing to put up with to stave off starvation. I've always heard of pemican being a food, not a nutrition of last resort. If it was, it changes my view on things a bit.

Maybe, this is one reason those frontiersmen and frontierswomen were so slim. I have Metis in my ancestry and if my memory serves, they would eat 1-2 pounds of pemmican per day as part of their staple when running freight up and down the rivers.
 
Bo T, hola

I'm sure it does. I recall my mother eating it on toast.

I see it as a substance that has done a loop. Originally it would have been very highly prized because of the food value vs effort trade off. Later, much the same as many people regard offal, it becomes snubbed as a food of the poor. Then, much the same as offal again, as with Floyd on France [which is mostly French peasant recipes using offal], it enjoys somewhat of a resurgence. Heston Blumenthal immediately springs to mind as one that is using marrow - slow-roasted rib of beef with bone-marrow sauce.

You may well like this via this interesting place.

That was a great video, and the simplicity of the preparation is neat. Not much to it. But for those eating to live, fast and effective is a mantra.
 
I used to find native processed Buffalo bones near an old fur trade post site. And a guy farming close by told me that he found an old pemmican bag intact. I have heard similar stories from other farmers. Check Hudson Bay company records for original journal accounts. Some of the trade posts near where I lived were actually Pemmican depots that existed to supply the more northerly posts. The colder the winters, the denser the furs.
 
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