Any info on Norton "Ezy Edge" combination stone? model E-8.

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Hi, first post here.
Maybe someone knows about this, totally news to me, uncommon Norton stone I noticed on ebay. I haven't heard of this one before. It isn't particularly interesting for what it costs, but I'm curious to know if this is something other than the Crystolon-variant it very much looks like to me; and get some idea of the grit, if anyone happens to know.
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Welcome! Yeah, like Scott mentioned it looks like a vintage Norton silicon carbide combo stone. Most likely coarse on one side and fine on the other. Roughly 120 grit and 300 grit. Very much like a Crystolon stone, but the binder material may be different (harder). Not really sure about the details on this stone, maybe someone else will have more info.
 
That is a older combination stone and came out in 2009 or 2010. If I recall that ^ is the correct grits. DM
 
I don't know... Saying "it's just another Crystolon -- or whatever", doesn't help much at all. Thanks for the replies though.

To better illustrate my point here, please consider another very seldom discussed Norton Stone: The UPB-8 "QUICKCUT" Combination Extremely Coarse/Coarse Stone
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This UPB-8, which combines an extra coarse 100 grit side with a medium India "fine" side, is as far as I know, the coarsest aluminium oxide "India" stone available. At 100 grit it is coarser than the common coarse Crystolon. So is this "basically like a combination India stone"? Not really, I don't think so.

Similarly, while I don't know what exactly the E-8 "Ezyedge" stone in the OP is, I'm assuming it could be of some interest to folks like me who already own plenty of Crystolon combination stones.

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I'll try to help you but don't get too picky. That is a water stone. It is not more coarse than a common coarse crystolon. One can get them
that coarse or more at ACE Hardware stores a JB-8. The more familiar combination India stone is the IB-8 a coarse / fine oil stone at 150 grit and 320 grit. DM
 
David Martin David Martin
Huh. I guess I just always took for granted that the UBP-8 was an oilstone -- I'm now noticing that one of my own links calls it a water stone; and the other link suggests both oil and water can be used. Thanks for pointing that out. This is making me more curious about how friable its binder is. I'm not quite sure what would make you say that the "Quickcut" coarse side isn't coarser than a coarse Crystolon, though. As far as I know, coarse Crystolon is 120 grit; and the few places I've found the Quickcut mentioned put its coarse side at 100 grit.

Regarding the E-8 which I asked about in the OP, I've shot off an email to Norton's customer outreach. Hopefully getting the exact product specs is just a matter of plugging the model # and copy/pasting the results, for them.
 
Marketing people can label it a lot of things. But I have a SiC stone that I purchased from ACE Hardware, their Economy stone a 2X8" combination stone and it is at least 100 grit or 90 grit on the coarse side. The finer side is a medium grit 180-200. Other coarse crystolon
stones are labeled 120 grit (normally). But I know about this stone. Maybe you just read labels? What is your intended purpose for this coarse stone? DM
 
Hi,
um,
you can always use whatever you want, the stone doesn't care,
but i doubt its a soft bond ("water stone") as its in between utility files and rubbing bricks in two catalogs 15 years apart

Ezy Edge appears to be an old brand, so this stone is just a branded version of regular norton offering


2001 catalog https://www.qualitymill.com/ASSETS/DOCUMENTS/ITEMS/EN/Norton_61463685960_Catalog.pdf

SPECIALTY LARGE ABRASIVE FILES
SICKLE & SCYTHESTONE
TRADESMEN'S UTILITY STONES
GARDEN TOOL SHARPENER
UTILITY FILE

R 8 X 2 X 3/4 10/10 I ECONOMY TOOL AND KNIFE SHARPENER (CARDED) UPB8 07660787934
R 8 X 2 X 1 1/10 I QUICKCUT COMBINATION BENCH STONE, (CARDED) UPB8 61463685755
G 50/50 QUICKCUT COMBINATION BENCH STONE (BULK) UPB8 61463690695
*R = RETAIL, G = GIFT PACK
PB is Plain Brick

RUBBING BRICKS
HAND RUBBING BRICKS
FLOOR RUBBING BRICKS



SAME SECTION OF CATALOG 85755
http://www.nortonabrasives.com/site...onIndustrial-7362-2015-Bookmarked.pdf#page=54
Economy Tool & Knife Benchstone
6 x 2 x 3/4 Coarse/Fine Crystolon (Silicon Carbide) 5 07660787933
8 x 2 x 3/4 Coarse/Fine India (Aluminum Oxide) 10 07660787934
8 x 2 x 1 Coarse/Fine India (Aluminum Oxide) 10 61463685755



https://archive.org/details/NortonPikeHowToSharpen/page/n41
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Bucket, thanks for pulling these old topics up with additional charts and references.
I'll say this about the ACE Economy stone. When rebeveling a worn edge on this stone using mineral oil. While grinding it the knife got hot
to my fingers, to the point I had to let go. No other stone I've used has ever done this. It removes metal fast. DM
 
It is worth noting that in Steve Bottorff's book, Sharpening Made Easy there is a grit chart that puts the coarse crystolon at 100 grit ANSI.
DM
 
Marketing people can label it a lot of things. But I have a SiC stone that I purchased from ACE Hardware, their Economy stone a 2X8" combination stone and it is at least 100 grit or 90 grit on the coarse side. The finer side is a medium grit 180-200. Other coarse crystolon
stones are labeled 120 grit (normally). But I know about this stone. Maybe you just read labels? What is your intended purpose for this coarse stone? DM
The short version is I've developed a really quite irrational interest for trying out different Norton synthetic oilstones; with a particular interest in getting a feel for how they may have changed over the years, even as they remained unchanged in name.

The slightly longer version of the story involves mentioning an old thread I came across -- I think on these very forums, where else? Edit: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/norton-india-stone-review-w-pics.881201/ -- wherein some well-experienced poster described how his older, decades-old in fact, India stones were harder and finer than the more recent ones in his ownership. If I recall correctly, some posts also bemoaned the further reduction in quality once Norton/Saint-Gobain moved production to Mexico. I seem to remember the poster spoke most highly of the Behr-Manning branded stones which had come out of Troy NY. decades prior. This got me curious about trying out both new and old stones and -- well, one thing led to another...

Through using a bunch of these stones for various grinding and sharpening tasks, it has indeed become apparent to me that they vary enough to justify preferring one particular stone over another, for some particular job; even if both stones are nominally supposed to be the same. For instance, I have a Crystolon combo from the 50s or 60s, the coarse side of which just absolutely refuses to shed grit with anything less than almost painful pressure -- very nice for staying nice and flat when grinding new bevels on beat-up old plane irons. But for grinding down large surfaces? I've found that the much more recent Hecho en Mexico Crystolons release enough grit on the coarse side to cut fast on large areas like wide iron backs or zero-grinding large knives, and with comfortable pressures to boot. Funny part? The fine sides of both combos, made more than a half century apart, behave virtually indistinguishably.

In any case, the upshot is that I'm amassing something of a modest collection of Norton synthetic oilstones, in both aluminium oxide and silicon carbide, across the common grits (coarse, medium, fine) from different eras of production. But because I'm more interested in their properties as sharpening tools, and not so much as objects to collect, it isn't exactly fair to say that I only read labels or am particularly interested in the boxes or whatnot. However when I do see one of these stones which could be substantially different than the coarse/medium/fine Crystolons and Indias I already have -- perhaps because of an uncommon model number, or a rare grit size -- maybe I choose to buy it if it's priced attractively. Or not.

Another case in point: When discussing Norton's synthetic oilstones, people mainly only ever mention India stones and Crystolons as two separate things; so I didn't expect and was surprised, when I bought what I thought was a more common combination India, to stumble across IC-x model stones which are combinations of Crystolon medium and India fine; the ones I've come across are of that sort, at least. And those combination India-Cry stones may be the best Norton product I've tried so far; and would be a strong contender for my favorite pick if I could only have a single stone to get by with. Although this could be because I still haven't had the luck to try out any of the much less common synthetic/natural Norton combos featuring sides of Arkansas or Washita stones. Still, a slightly friable side of medium Crystolon paired with an India stone as hard and fine as the earliest Behr-Manning I've so far managed to get my hands on: that would be a damned nice stone regardless.

In the end, I'm curious about the E-8 in the OP because it could conceivably be another one of these rarely mentioned, but interesting to me nevertheless, pieces of quality vintage Behr-Norton abrasive -- which I find myself collecting for... reasons.
 
Looking at the photos of the box of the E-8 from auction it does not have the Behr Manning wording nor the bear emblem. Plus, it says on the box hecho en Mexico which dates it around 2000 or after.
I have a number of the Behr Manning India stones made in Troy, NY with their original boxes, which are hard to come by and these preform different from those Norton hecho en Mexico stones though the binders seem similar, the grit material is different.
I also have a X fine crystolon stone made by the Carborundum Co. with it's box from cira 1959-69. On this stone it's binders are different and the grit different but similar to the Razor Edge stone. I'm noticed these older stones give a different edge and somewhat better. DM
Here is a fine India made for Norton's Tri-hone that came in the yellow box with blue wording, made in Troy, NY. in the box w/ the Mexico
India to the left.
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A early IB-8 with box. Sent from a Forum member who's Grandfather worked in upper management at the Bher Manning plant in Troy, NY before it became Norton. I think this is a 1979-85 box. DM
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Looking at the photos of the box of the E-8 from auction it does not have the Behr Manning wording nor the bear emblem. Plus, it says on the box hecho en Mexico which dates it around 2000 or after.

Take another look at the E-8 in the OP, because you're flat out wrong on several on those statements; and although you're right about it not being branded Behr-Manning, nor having the Bear, I never said it did.

To summerize. It's a branded Norton Stone; what I think is a 90s box; and states country of manufacture as USA on both the box and the stone proper. Based on this, it's most likely from the nineties, not the late aughts.

Like I said though, it isn't really about years, country, and certainly not about boxes -- what I really care about boils down to abrasive type, grit size, and bond strength.

I like that red sharpening station of yours. On first impression I assumed both those light colored stones were Indias, but then thought perhaps the paler one is an Ark... Although if you say it's a much older India, that makes sense. I've noticed they've gradually been making them darker and redder in color; the oldest ones I have are a very pale yellow. I don't recall seeing one quite that color, though; might be the camera playing tricks with colors, though.

edit: Gee, I can't read. It looks like you said precisely what those pale stones were at the end there. Need more coffee, I think.
 
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Ok, I found the wording on your box,' hecho in USA' 1993. Which the E-8 could have been mfg. earlier and they had several thousand of those boxes printed in 1993.? So, who knows. DM
 
David Martin David Martin
Indeed. That style of box always seems to have the year 1993 on them, from what I remember noticing. I regard the boxes as little more than a loose indication of when the stones were made; no more accurate than estimating to within a decade. Pretty much in the same manner that you estimated that vintage IB-8 stone in the nice retro box to being from roughly between the late 70's to mid-80's.
 
Here are the boxes my hecho in Mexico stones came in. The JUM-3 on top and the IM-313 India on bottom. I'm fairly sure I got the JUM-3 in 2007 or 2006 and the orange India a year later. DM
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I received a response from Norton/Saint-Gobain -- which is pretty impressive in itself. Kudos to them for that.

Their guess, admittedly, is economy grade aluminum oxide; #100/#240. So apparently not much like a Crystolon after all; and coincidentally rather similar to the "Quick-Cut" I mentioned earlier in the thread. That is, if the representative's best guess can be trusted -- which... meh.

Good Afternoon,


We can’t find any direct reference to this part in the old literature I have on hand and we do not currently supply this product. However, based on the photo and the product name my guess is that this is an economy grade aluminum oxide sharpening product. Not sure of the exact grit sizes but would assume it’s about 100 grit on the coarse side and 240 grit on the fine side. This stone would be more aggressive that our India stones but not quite so much as crystolon stones. If you have any questions let us know.



Thank you,

Lead Generation Specialist

Norton | Saint-Gobain

Abrasives North America
 
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