Any Iron Kiss Hammers near Las Vegas?

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Does anyone have an Iron Kiss hammer near Las Vegas? I just had a whole bunch of equipment come in and a power hammer is the last major purchase I need. I have worked with little giant's and a say maks(sp) but would like to look an iron kiss over before purchasing anything.
 
IronKiss will out hit a big blue, the tests have been done, and everyone I've met that has run both has said the same. I can't personally say, because I've never run a blue, but i've run the 90, 75 and 25 pound IronKiss hammers and all 3 were amazing. 20:1 anvil to ram really does make a difference.

That said, my anyang ROCKs too!!!!
 
Jimmy,

I'd suggest you contact John Larson who builds the Iron Kiss hammers and ask him for a referral. If you have any questions about the Iron Kiss hammers feel free to ask and I'll do what I can to answer. I've run just about every size of hammer John makes (and even some special order and prototype hammers) quite a bit and can tell you quite a bit about them.

-d
 
Guarentee you won't get the service Big Blu gives and Dean constantly improves their product and backs it,and I have used the Blu's a bunch+ they make more than a handful a year and made in the good old USA.I don't get paid for endorsements:DRegards Butch
 
I have a Big Blu 110 on a 4'x3'x2' concrete base. Hits very hard. I've seen John's Iron Kiss several times and used it once. Your money will be well spent either way. I believe the Iron Kiss is more adjustable in terms of head stroke distance.

Bill
 
Hey Jimmy! Glad to hear the shop is coming along.

My experience with hammers is somewhat limited....however I sure did like the Iron Kiss I ran last year out East visiting Deker, Sam and some of the guys! Sure wish I had one...

Brad
 
Nice to hear from you Brad. The whole gang needs to meet up again. I'm working an outage right now and don't have any time off until january. But after that I'll have one of those new TW-90 grinders in my shop that everyone can play with. Picked it up last friday.
 
Guarentee you won't get the service Big Blu gives and Dean constantly improves their product and backs it,and I have used the Blu's a bunch+ they make more than a handful a year and made in the good old USA.I don't get paid for endorsements:DRegards Butch

I have to take exception with the sentiment in your post Butch. I'm glad you've had a good experience with Big Blu. I think that's great. However, for you to deride John and his hammers when you obviously have no experience with them is unfair to say the least.

To fill in a little info for folks, John is a one man shop at Iron Kiss and builds every hammer 100% by himself in Baltimore, MD. There is no staff who may have a slack day and forget a check, or are rushing to meet quotas, or get out of the shop on time, etc. Each and every hammer is manufactured to John's extremely high standards and tested extensively before it leaves the shop. He has DEFINITELY made "more than a handful" of hammers and stands behind each and every one. I have known him for many years and have seen the constant improvements he has made in his hammers first hand. I've seen him bend over backwards to support customers who have had (rare) issues with his hammers. I can tell you for sure that there is nobody who takes more pride in their work and puts more precision work, time, and care into their hammer building than John. He has no secrets about how he does anything. If you're so inclined go take a look at his blog at iForgeIron. You can see what he's done in the shop every day and watch as he continues to improve his product and his processes all the time.

The rigidity of the Iron Kiss Octagon design is phenomenal, it requires no special foundation (I've run them to great effect sitting on a pieces of plate steel and plywood set on 4" of mud!), the proper anvil:tup ratios John employs makes for an extremely hard hit, and the control available with these hammers is second to none. I highly recommend that anybody who is in the market for a utility hammer give John a call and talk to him. Ask him the questions you have and if you can make the trip, come to the Iron Kiss shop and test drive a hammer. Let me know when you'll be in town and I'll see if I can break away and come have a beer with you afterwards. If not, ask what hammer-ins he'll be going to. You may find one near you and get a chance to run an Iron Kiss first hand.

-d
 
Thanks everyone. I sent Mr. Larson an email asking for a referral.

Sam, since you have ran so many of these hammers wich would you reccomend for bladesmithing and damascus making, the 75lb, or 50 lb, or heavier?
 
Sam, since you have ran so many of these hammers wich would you reccomend for bladesmithing and damascus making, the 75lb, or 50 lb, or heavier?

I'll give you my $.02 here (even though you asked Sam ;) )

As with anything, you need to look at the work you intend to do in order to decide what the right tool is. I've run John's hammers in 50, 75, 100, 110, 150, and a one off 20:1 ratio 160# monster. I've forged damascus on all except the 150 and 160lb hammer (though I was breaking down a 4" diameter roller bearing on the 160). If you're going with a starting billet of 1 1/2"x6"x3" or so, any or them will do just fine. Once you get much bigger than that, you will likely see enough of an increase in forging efficiency to look bigger than the 50# hammer. The other reason is that the 50# has smaller dies (4" wide) than the rest of the hammers and as such you can't work stock as large as on the larger hammers. If you follow the rule of "figure out what you need, then go one bigger" like I do, the 75# is the starting point ;)

Between the 75# and 100# hammers there is little difference in construction. They both use identical pneumatic parts, it's just that the anvil and tup weights are different between the two. Effectively what this means is that the 75# will feel more "snappy" in forging than the 100# since it's got the same guts. This same relationship exists between the 125# and 150# hammers. Also, due to the upgrade in pneumatics over the 50# hammer, the 75# definitely hits more than 50% harder than the 50# model.

All of this is rather amorphous when we're just talking about weights and percentages though. Let me give you some real-world examples based on my experiences using John's hammers in demonstrations.

My standard demonstration billet is 13 layers of 1/4"x1 1/2" 1084 and .058"x1 1/2" 15n20 6" long. This makes a billet that is 1 1/2"x6"x2.1". It's smaller than what I work at home, but usually when I'm demonstrating I have 45 to 60 minutes and I like to get through all the basics including cutting and folding a billet. In a 60 minute demonstration, I can go from a cold billet to a 26 layer billet (1 fold) and have it ready to cut and fold a second time with ease, while talking and explaining what I'm doing. It generally takes about 3-4 heats after the welding pass to have the billet drawn to twice it's length and be ready to cut, fold, and weld again on the 75# hammer. On the 50# it's more like 5-6 heats. However, as the billet size increases to 3" tall or over, this gap becomes more pronounced. On a 100# hammer I can do a little better than the 75# with a small demonstration billet, but because of the care required in any forging to keep things straight and square, the gain on smaller pieces isn't too pronounced.

If it were my money, I'd go for a 75# hammer (and intend to, but the shop needs better electrical than an extension cord across the driveway first...). If you plan to work stainless, or really large billets (3"x3"xsomething, etc) you may need a larger hammer, though really at that point you'd be well served to look at a combination of a press and a hammer to maximize forging efficiency.

Here's a couple of videos of the 50# hammer I took at this year's Fire & Brimstone hammer-in. Remember, it was raining all weekend, we were standing in 3-4" of mud, and the hammer was sitting on mud, covered by a 3/4" steel plate, covered by a piece of 1/2" plywood. Not really an ideal foundation. ;)

John Forging a Railroad Spike

Sam Forging 1" W-1 Round

-d
 
Just to throw my 2 cents in here. I have not been able to use one of Mr. Larson's hammers yet due to my location, but he is an incredibly friendly individual. He has patiently answered quite a few of my questions even though I will be unable to even think about purchasing one of hammers for quite a while.
 
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