Any new thoughts/observations on tweeners?

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I know the FFG vs saber grind discussion has been around a while, but has anyone who owns both types of bk16 gravitated towards one in particular based on performance? I love my BK2, really starting to like my bk14 since I've stripped and sharpened it.. But my BK2 is pretty dang heavy, I figure a saber grind bk16 and my BK14 would be a good combo, providing some of those first production runs are still around. The bk14 would be a better slicer and the saber ground bk16 would be a little "beefier" maybe? I'm a geology student and do lots of hiking/mapping in North Carolina. I'm not one of those Ultra-light hiker types but when you carry a 22oz rock hammer, map board and a 10 pound granite sample plus pack, food, water, rain gear, etc. Well,,,things tend to add up and make for a LONG hike back to the car.

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SMKW currently lists their stock of FPR BK-16s at 37, so they actually are finally starting to run low. I only own the FPR version so I can't comment too much on the difference, but I do like your idea of pairing the saber grind 16 with a 14 especially because I own both and they are both in my top 3 Beckers :)
 
You actually might do better off pairing the 16 with then 11. Same blade as the 14 however being able to use the bottle opener in the handle to pry out something lodged in the mud/muck without damaging the blade may have a certain allure.
 
I own both. I prefer the sabre grind. I don't really have a good reason why other than i feel it is stronger. That being said, i have never broken a FFG. I will always opt on the side of "more heavy duty" every time if given the choice.
 
Only tweener I have is a BK-15 and I seriously LOVE it.

I don't think a BK-16 and BK-14 together would be necessary as there's not a significant size difference between them. Typically I carry a smaller knife to go along with a large knife.
 
I have both of those Tweeners (16 flat/ 16 sabre) and having used them both quite a lot for carving, batoning and just general slicing, I'd go so far as to say I'm gonna pick the flat every time. I feel like it slices better and just overall feels more nimble in the hand.
 
Nothing new to report: still lovin' the 17... :D

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Loving my BK15, it gets the most use out of my Beckers (though the Machax is a close 2nd).
 
In general I prefer FFGs as it promotes knife-like performance, rather than axe-like performance.
That said, I like my 17, which is essentially a clipped saber-ground 16.
 
Any new thoughts/observations on tweeners?

Yup. Having owned the BK2 and the BK17, I've decided the 17 is no more a "slicer" than the 2. With the primary grinds and the blade width, the general angle of grind is nearly identical(did the math on it). To get a tweener with a more acute primary grind, you'll need to select either the 15 or the FFG 16. I now have the FFG 16. :)
 
When I first saw the BK16, it was a saber ground version at the first Gathering over at Ethan's. At first, the saber ground version was the version for me. I wanted it because it was a smaller BK2, not a larger BK14. At the last gethering, Moose let me see his 16, which was a FFG, and had liners and micarta. The liners made the handle go from great to perfect, but Moose kept touting the virtues of the FFG over the Saber version. I got on board. Quickly after that, I started carrying just the FFG version and kept it that way for a few months, but ultimately, I went back to the saber ground version. It was a hard decision given the benefits of the FFG version, but it was the choice I made nonetheless.

1. Peace of mind. That's the biggest reason. Simple peace of mind. I can flex the FFG 16 in my hands. I can't do that with the FPR version. More meat in the blade means more strength, and that is a direct correlation between the BK2 and every other knife out there. If it is a heavy chunk of steel, it will take more damage in my mind. It might be right, it might be wrong, but to me, I feel better knowing the FPR version is the one I carry for that tiny reason alone.

2. Chopping. Yes, chopping. The FPR 16 has more weight, which means less chops when chopping with the knife. Now I am not talking about cutting down 8 inch trees, but chopping on something smaller has been a lot easier with the FPR over the FFG. Think limbing a smaller branch type of chopping. Obviously the FPR is not going to excel at this task, it just isn't made for that, but with the added little bit of weight and a two finger grip, it can do some chopping. (And it will do it a heck of a lot better than a BK14!)


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That being said, I feel it definitely needs mentioned that while I see the FPR as having more integral strength, that does not in any way mean that I think the FFG one is weak. In the pic above, you can see some marks on the FFG blade towards the middle. Those marks specifically come from cross-grain batoning the FFG 16 through a 2 inch branch. Now when I started, I made the decision that I was only going to use a reasonable amount of force, and try to achieve what I was after without beating on the knife like it owed me money. To date, the only knife I have ever beat on like that is my BK2, and as we all know, that is not going to be a problem for it. However, after getting approximately 3/5 of the way through the branch, the knife stopped cold. It would not move any further through the wood. It had binded up or pinched or whatever, but it most certainly was not going to be going anywhere for awhile.

Now I can't say if it was the way the stars aligned, or frustration, or just plain silliness on my part, but I grabbed that baton and beat that knife like it had killed my mom. I beat it as hard as I have ever done on my BK2 and I didn't stop until I had to. The knife didn't go much further, but it did stand up to the beating it took like a champ. That truly amazed me, and more than ever reinforced my view that BK&T makes some of the greatest blades out there.
 
sabre grinds - thing of the past now that we have teh lazers :D
 
Not really anything new to report but the FFG 16 will take some punishment and then some, I beat mine through some stuff I'd normally never even consider over the last weekend (like crossgraining through some very old but very small willow branches, some of the tightest growth rings I've ever seen). It doesn't sail through it but you can force it through about anything. Mine's held an edge well (even in the stock sheath) gave her a hair popping v grind last night (that's some heavy Becker innuendo I know) I really have nothing to complain about.

While I'm sure the Saber 16 is a noticeable bit stronger, the FFG is a tough lil sumabeech, aesthetically I like the FFG better (I was probably going to end up getting a Esee 4 if I didn't get the 16) but that's just personal preference. You really cant go wrong with the tweeners, seems like whether you have a 15, 16, or 17 everybody loves em and wants to collect them all lol :D
 
Can someone please explain the ffg? saber? full flat grind? Fpr? how can you tell which is which? on the bk16 do they come in more than one style? or were there pre-released versions? how do they come new now?

Sorry im a noob trying to learn and this thread speaks more on the subject than any i can find with the search function.
 
Can someone please explain the ffg? saber? full flat grind? Fpr? how can you tell which is which? on the bk16 do they come in more than one style? or were there pre-released versions? how do they come new now?

Sorry im a noob trying to learn and this thread speaks more on the subject than any i can find with the search function.

FFG=Full Flat Grind, The primary grind (correct my terminology if I'm wrong guys) is one angle from blade to spine (this is the current production version of the 16)
Saber= a flat grind ending before the spine somewhere on the face of the blade (First Production Run or FPR of the 16, you can still find them pretty easily)
 
Mine's held an edge well (even in the stock sheath)

are you saying there's a problem with the sheath?

that sheath shouldn't ever dull the knife. heck, one of the best sheaths supplied with a knife imho. esp considering it's "free" :)
 
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