anybody know?

jill jackson

jill jackson

Joined
Sep 5, 2006
Messages
20,593
a guy i know told me he was pulled over in louisville ky. the cop asked him if he had any firearms. he said just my muzzleloader behind my truck seat. (unloaded) as he was a deer hunter. he was arrested and fined 1500 dollars given 450 hours commuinity service. they kept his gun, now hes on probation and has a record. i'm like i don't see how they charged you with that! i thought a muzzleloader wasn't considered a firearm by law. anybody know if they had the right to do this? i think he was railroaded.
 
a guy i know told me
Click to expand...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

With evidence like that, who knows what really happened ... maybe it's mostly true but he forgot to mention he was out on parole after serving time for a violent crime and his parole conditions specified no guns ... maybe he was actually busted for committing unnatural acts with an underage goat that were too embarrassing to tell people about so he made up a story about getting stopped with an unloaded muzzleloader ... maybe he's repeating a rumor he heard and telling it with himself as the protagonist to make it more interesting ... all I can tell you is don't get too worked up about every story some guy you know tells you. You could give yourself high blood pressure....
 
its somebody i know not some crazy wacko. if thats what he said happened it is, after all he didn't have to tell anybody anything about it as louisville isn't all that close to where he lives. i just wanted to know if its possible to be charged for having a muzzleloader behind your seat or not. i didn't think they could do that. all the possible things you mention that could have happened don't really matter anyway. plus i'm not worked up about it other than wanting to know. its his 1500 bucks and time so no big deal to me, other than if he was charged with ccdw i think its bogus.
 
Let's try this on the Knife Laws forum. Even though it's not exactly a knife law question, those guys can probably answer it.
moving-van.jpg
 
in mass, a muzzleloader is a firearm, and requires an FID card. i think at one point, bb guns were too. what was he charged with when they arrested him? did he have warrants? a lot of stuff factors in to the equation. if a judge upheld the arrest and sentenced him to probation chances are the arrest was good. i'm not a lawyer though, so don't take my word for it.

your ccdw seems all encompassing as it lets ky holders possess blackjacks and saps as well as knives and guns. MA prohibith the impact weapons all together.
 
jill jackson said:
a guy i know told me he was pulled over in louisville ky. the cop asked him if he had any firearms. he said just my muzzleloader behind my truck seat. (unloaded) as he was a deer hunter. he was arrested and fined 1500 dollars given 450 hours commuinity service. they kept his gun, now hes on probation and has a record. i'm like i don't see how they charged you with that! i thought a muzzleloader wasn't considered a firearm by law. anybody know if they had the right to do this? i think he was railroaded.
Click to expand...

generally muzzleloaders are not considered firearms, but some states, and some municipalities consider them so. what exactly was he charged with? what else was in the car? other contraband?

you may believe him at his word, but your story is brief and doesnt offer much pertinent info. and since you werent there, you can never really know how the incident transpired.

railroaded indicates some type of conspiracy, from the arresting officer, to the sergeant giving approval of the arrest, the jailer, the prosecutor, the defense, and the judge. and he just received probation, the fine can likely be worked off with community service.

it is his responsibility to know firearms laws if he is transporting a gun. if he fails to investigate those laws, or chooses to ignore them, he is responsible for the outcome.
 
jill jackson said:
=he was pulled over in louisville ky. the cop asked him if he had any firearms. he said just my muzzleloader behind my truck seat. (unloaded)
Click to expand...

Without reviewing the details of the case, I'd say that it would be unlawful concealment in Oregon.
 
he was pulled over for speeding. he was charged with carrying a concealed deadly weapon. it doesn't matter to me so much about his case to me, i just was under the impression a muzzleloader was not in the eyes of the law a deadly weapon. all i was trying to find out was if in ky. it is indeed illegal to carry a muzzleloader behind your truck seat. what he did or may have did doesn't matter at this point. i looked online and had no luck finding the facts on this. most information i found on muzzleloaders seemed to not go into the way they are carried on the road.
 
527.020
(8) A firearm or other deadly weapon shall not be deemed concealed on or about the person if it is located in a glove compartment, regularly installed in a motor vehicle by its manufacturer, regardless of whether said compartment is locked, unlocked, or does not have a locking mechanism. No person or organization, public or private, shall prohibit a person from keeping a firearm or ammunition, or both, or other deadly weapon in a glove compartment of a vehicle in accordance with the provisions of this subsection. Any attempt by a person or organization, public or private, to violate the provisions of this subsection may be the subject of an action for appropriate relief or for damages in a Circuit Court or District Court of competent jurisdiction.
Click to expand...
Note that the term glovebox is imerative, for example console carry is CCDW :
http://162.114.92.72/COA/2003-CA-000034.pdf (appeals court ruling).

Also note that CCDW refers to concealment on or about one's person.
 
mp510 said:
527.020

Note that the term glovebox is imerative, for example console carry is CCDW :
http://162.114.92.72/COA/2003-CA-000034.pdf (appeals court ruling).

Also note that CCDW refers to concealment on or about one's person.
Click to expand...

thats all true but is a muzzleloader a deadly weapon? in the eyes of the state of KENTUCKY? being the federal firearms laws don't apply to them i can't see how a person would be charged for having one out of sight in a car. anybody can pretty well order one and have it sent right to their door or walk in a wal- mart and buy one. so if they aren't controlled by law then how could a law be applied to one.
 
rosconey2 said:
how the heck do you go hunting if you cant transport your gun?
Click to expand...

not to conceal it. unless its in a trunk. i just don't believe that they could charge people for a muzzleloader anyway here in ky. you can have a loaded pistol out in view or a loaded pistol in a glove box, no permit. the law says thats fine. i know you aren't supposed to have a long gun loaded or out of sight. in a car but i always thought that was so you wouldn't be able to shoot game from the road as easy.
 
ccdw states that anything capable of propelling a shot is a deadly weapon in KY

What weapons are covered under the CCDW permit?
Any weapon from which a shot, readily capable of producing death or serious physical injury, may be discharged.

Any knife other than an ordinary pocket knife or hunting knife.

Billy, nightstick, or club.

Blackjack or slapjack.

Nunchaku karate sticks.

Shiriken or death star.

Artificial knuckles made from plastic, or other similar hard material.

http://www.kentuckystatepolice.org/conceal.htm
 
many laws are a bit vague, especially weapons laws. mainly because carry systems and practices are always changing and weapon tech is always at least a step ahead of laws. ambiguity allows application of various laws to various circumstances.

if a law is too specific, it becomes obsolete quickly.

and state and municipal laws are usually more strict than federal statutes.
 
Of course a muzzleloader is a deadly weapon! We fought the American Revolution and the American Civil War with muzzleloaders, not to mention numerous bank robberies and murders.

In New York State, you can buy a muzzleloading pistol kit, assemble it and hang it on the wall...you do not need a pistol permit...until the day that you buy powder and ball and caps to fire it. Then you need a pistol permit.

You can rob a bank with a water pistol, certainly with a black powder gun. What makes you think the police are going to cut you any slack on the posession and handling of a black powder gun? If I were them, I wouldn't.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
many laws are a bit vague, especially weapons laws. mainly because carry systems and practices are always changing and weapon tech is always at least a step ahead of laws. ambiguity allows application of various laws to various circumstances.

if a law is too specific, it becomes obsolete quickly.

and state and municipal laws are usually more strict than federal statutes.
Click to expand...

absolutely right.
 
Coldwood said:
Of course a muzzleloader is a deadly weapon! We fought the American Revolution and the American Civil War with muzzleloaders, not to mention numerous bank robberies and murders.

In New York State, you can buy a muzzleloading pistol kit, assemble it and hang it on the wall...you do not need a pistol permit...until the day that you buy powder and ball and caps to fire it. Then you need a pistol permit.

You can rob a bank with a water pistol, certainly with a black powder gun. What makes you think the police are going to cut you any slack on the posession and handling of a black powder gun? If I were them, I wouldn't.
Click to expand...

maybe because theres no restrictions on buying one ? and you can order one get it sent right to your door, walk in wal-mart and fill out no papers on it, plus its not considered a deadly weapon by law.
 
muzzleloaders ARE a deadly weapon according to ky ccdw laws as they are capable of propelling a shot. as are bb and pellet guns, bows, crossbows, slingshots, etc. i think its the concealed carry, not the ownership that is addressed by the law. in MA i can buy a bb gun w/o paperwork, etc. but carrying it is carrying a dangerous weapon.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top