Anybody want one of these? D guard special by Edd. Pix.

Bill Martino

Bill Martino

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Well, here it is. Edd's D Guard Special.

Specs:

about 20 inches overall
1/2 in max blade thickness
2.5 in max blade width
est. weight 2.5 to 3 pounds

Brass D-guard
false edge forward section of blade

Edd has asked that the weight be kept under 2.5 pounds but with model blade thickness and brass guard we will be very lucky to make it.

Comments and suggestions before we send this over for a couple of prototypes?

And, who wants one? Estimated price $195.



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Blessings from the computer shack in Reno.

Uncle Bill
Himalayan Imports Website
Khukuri FAQ
 
Here are some precedents from the historical page in the FAQ.

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[This message has been edited by Howard Wallace (edited 06-19-2000).]
 
Edd, the knife looks great! Any idea on the price? I am a little light on cash-Banspati, and silver fitted Gelbu. Give me a week or two and let me find out the fund situation. If I can get some money I'm aboard!
Matthew
 
Man that thing is amazing. 2.5 pounds! You asked for comments and suggestions, so here are my humble musings. For me, it is the old issue of the balance of Form & Function. It looks like it might be painfull to the hand if used heavilly and also seems blocky in style. The historical examples look painfull also, but they have more curve and grace. Everyone will suffer for fashion, I see it every day in NY, girls wearing mini skirts in -0 weather. I am no different, I would buy this knife just to try it out and if my hand bled, so be it! It would look great on my wall! However, I am looking at a photo of a Ghurka knife and I can not find one single right angle in it's design. So, I think I would find myself wanting the "forward curved" guard (where the thumb would be in a fencing stance) not to be at the right angle that it is ("square" "modern" "technological") but curved. I would also want the "D" to be more of a lazy "S" making it look less like a D-bowie and more "natural" "anti-technological." This would create two curved shapes that come together, one the crossguard and the other the D guard. But now I've gone back and looked at the picture so many times that I am not sure anymore, maybe it is beautiful the way it is and maybe it doesn't hurt the hand, that's just what came off the top of the head. Good luck, looking forward to see what the magic workers come up with.

Blue
 
I just read other post so now I know what's going on. Edd don't listen to me, this is personal so it should be just how you envisioned it. I will try to envision my own...I will not sleep tonight.
 
What I had in mind was something with a western twist , and I think I got everything that I envisioned into the desighn . I put the false edge on to save weight and allow better back cuts . The upturned tip is more of a western thing and helps with back cuts too. The D-guard willkeep your nuckles from getting rapped , and your hand from sliding up the blade on a steb or hard cut.
Any thing that you guys can recomend as an improvement would be helpful , thanks .
 
Possible the weight issue , possibly everyone is out of funds . You have had quite a few specials this past month or so and they haven't lasted long . this can put a dent in the finances , it has mine .

On the weight issue , if Kumar , known for light blades were to make this with instructions to keep the blade as light as he could , it would probably make it under 2lbs. If he can make that Gulbu special that you picked for Jim as light as he did I think he can make this desighn work .

What do the rest of you think ? What problems or doubts do you have with this desighn ?
 
Edd, I'll get this prototype sent over this week and we will ask Bura for suggestions. I WILL get you one of these made one way or the other and it will weigh less than 2.5 pounds, probably 2 pounds. When we get the real thing here and post pix and a review we will get takers, guaranteed.

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Blessings from the computer shack in Reno.

Uncle Bill
Himalayan Imports Website
Khukuri FAQ
 
I differ to you and to Bura on any and all suggestions on this . It has just been a pleasure to sit down and make the model itself . I can just imagine what it's like to make the real thing . To take a steel bar and end up with a Khukri is amazing. I probably put 40-50 hours alone into to the wooden model . The only power tool that I used was a drill to start the holes for the D-gaurd . I think every knife fanatic should try one themselves . It will give you a greater appreciation of what people like the Kami's do . Thank you and the rest of the formites for the impotest to try this project.
 
I don't think you could even ship it to California. I'm pretty sure any kind of handguard or brass knucke type object is illegal here.
 
Well, Edd, there's a consideration -- OM says this is illegal in CA. Maybe it's illegal everywhere! Berk, what's your legal advice on this? We don't want to start breaking the law at this late date.

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Blessings from the computer shack in Reno.

Uncle Bill
Himalayan Imports Website
Khukuri FAQ
 
Uncle Bill,
Under Texas law, which is all I'm licensed to practice, or pretend to understand, this knife, like everything in the HI inventory except for the kagas katne, would be illegal to carry "on or about the person" purely because of its size, possibly also because of its blade design (Bowie) and also possibly because of the guard (knuckles). It would be perfectly OK to own it or ship it here though.
California law seems to be less tolerant:
"CALIFORNIA CODES PENAL CODE SECTION 12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison: (1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses ...any metal knuckles...7) As used in this section, "metal knuckles" means any device or instrument made wholly or partially of metal which is worn for purposes of offense or defense in or on the hand and which either protects the wearer's hand while striking a blow or increases the force of impact from the blow or injury to the individual receiving the blow. The metal contained in the device may help support the hand or fist, provide a shield to protect it, or consist of projections or studs which would contact the individual receiving a blow. " Last time a question of California weapons law came up, Jim March spoke up and also suggested consulting James Mattis, who is a California knife dealer. Perhaps one or both will see this and comment.
Berk
 
Thanks a million for your help, Berk. We will wait for James and James to comment before we ship (or make!) any of these D-guards -- especially to the great state of California.

Thanks again. Although I don't always like to hear what you have to tell me I am certainly glad that you are there to tell it like it is.

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Blessings from the computer shack in Reno.

Uncle Bill
Himalayan Imports Website
Khukuri FAQ
 
If this is so then any military cutlass oe even the marine corp saber would be illegal in callifornia . I am pretty sure that any fencing sword would also be illegal under that interpratation . I think we will find this not to be the case .
 
Err in haste, repent at leisure. I should have said : Under Texas law, this knife would be illegal to carry "on or about the person" purely because of its size, possibly also because of its blade design (Bowie). It would be perfectly OK to own it or ship it here though. However, if the guard were deemed to be knuckles, its mere possession would be illegal. In my opinion, such a construction is unlikely in Texas because "knuckles" are defined as "any instrument that consists of finger rings or guards made of a hard substance and that is designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with a fist enclosed in the knuckles". As noted, the California statute seems more restrictive.
Free legal advice is worth every penny you paid for it.
Anyone having an opinion as to whether proper usage would be "knuckles is" or "knuckles are", feel free to jump in
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[This message has been edited by Berkley (edited 06-20-2000).]
 
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer; I am a dork with a modem. (Who did you think gives free legal advice on the net?)

As far as I know no jurisdiction anywhere defines a simple ordinary D guard as illegal brass knuckles.

-Cougar :{)
 
Whoops -- I just noticed Berkley is an actual lawyer. Please don't take that parenthetical comment in my last post the wrong way, Berkley -- I was just kidding. We have a number of lawyers as members here, Student for one ... I don't think we have any who practice in California, though, except Mrs. Mattis (aka "Toni the Fork") and I don't think she specializes in weapons law....

-Cougar :{)
 
Cougar,
Believe me, just having a law license doesn't disqualify me from being classified as a dork with a modem
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Berk
 
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