Anyne seen this?

I have never seen that link before but I have read other materails that are very similar. That point out some of the same events.



I'm ready................... I think.



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jimi
 
It is not out of the realm of possibility. Where are our allies in the midst of this in these scenarios?
 
They are trying to sell a book based on conspiracy theories, fear, and suggestion. A lot of people will buy into it.

And, others beleive that World War 3 is being fought now.
Islam vs. West
It began in 1979 with the taking of American hostages.
Because it is being waged in such a long time span, it is not recognized for what it is.
Any war the US is involved in won't be fought like WW2 or Korea.
We will simply strike their command and control, and then their major industries.

The presumption that the US is weak and cannot fight in two or three theatres is preposterous, that is where their theory goes wrong.
We have an entire pacific fleet. Air craft carriers, submarines, etc.
If Iran or Korea want to play the nuclear card, then I'm sure we have plans to finish it. If we can send a 2000 lb. bomb through a 3x6 doorway, I'm sure we can do similarly with tactical nukes. Look at stealth technology, not unveiled until absolutely necessary. What techology is sitting in a hanger, or bolted to a ship that hasn't yet been unveiled?

There is one thing about major disasters, they are always a surprise.
The Tsunami in the Indian Ocean. Even Mt. Saint Helens, they figured it would be a typical volcanic eruption over days and weeks, they never suspected the entire side of the mountain would blow out all at once.
It's the unexpected that sneaks up and bites you.

The linked theory is a lot of assumptions, built like dominoes falling.
We pay a lot of people to think about, solve, and plan for these situations.
No one can predict how a country will behave, nor what the response will be.

Well, except we can plan for the UN to form a committee to study it and take no action, of that , you can be sure.

The morale of the story is that we should plan and be prepared for a wide range of possibilities.
 
Skunk,

I like the way you think, the only thing that holds America and England back is our own discretion, if Korea and Iran want to dance we can play the tune. Chris
 
Skunk,

if Korea and Iran want to dance we can play the tune. Chris

Chris, I like that...:thumbup: I just thought that this was interesting and on one of the pages on this site it talks about how you can "be ready." Well, I thought that page was pretty shallow and locked lots of crucial things.
 
I added here in the Survival forum because if something like this happens, then survival will be paramount.

Heck, all of us here are ready, but if not it won't matter much as it will be to late. The world marches on in spite of us.;)
 
Because it is being waged in such a long time span, it is not recognized for what it is.
Any war the US is involved in won't be fought like WW2 or Korea.

I agree. I doubt we'll ever see those kinds of head-on battles again. Our enemies are small and move fast.

I also agree with what runningboar said about N. Korea/Iran, that would be the place such a conventional conflict could take place, and I don't think (hope/pray) they're actually crazy enough to attack us or an ally first.

There are some who say that our adventures in Iraq will galvanize Iran, and "re-create a greater Persia." out of the various factions. That would be scary. I think (hope/pray) that part of our overall strategy is to contain and prevent this.
 
China is going to take Taiwan, and they'll do it by holding our national debt over our heads. We won't dare confront them when they invade Taiwan because if we do the Chinese will call in the debt and/or sell so many US dollars on the world market that it'll put our economy into a tailspin.

Plus, how can we go to war with a country that makes all our underwear for us?

I wouldn't worry about a big world war. I am, however, very worried about Great Depression II.
 
China is going to take Taiwan, and they'll do it by holding our national debt over our heads. We won't dare confront them when they invade Taiwan because if we do the Chinese will call in the debt and/or sell so many US dollars on the world market that it'll put our economy into a tailspin.

Plus, how can we go to war with a country that makes all our underwear for us?

I wouldn't worry about a big world war. I am, however, very worried about Great Depression II.

That is brilliant and I had totally forgotten about that.... I heard somewhere that if that happens, the US economy would fall into a depression, badly. Dont the Chinese own more of this nation than we actually do??? Gah I need to stay off these websites.. haha
 
Dont the Chinese own more of this nation than we actually do???

I'm not sure if you're talking about everything (properties, businesses, debt) or just national debt, but the threat from the Chinese is a growing one, not an immediate one. If it was an immediate threat; that is, if the Chinese owned enough of us to bring us to heel; they'd already be in Taiwan.

As of Sept 2005 (the last date for which I could easily find numbers), the top debt holders are:

1. Social Security Trust Fund: $3332 Billion (now you know the real reason why there's a problem with social security -- the politicians raided the trust fund and don't want to pay it back).

2. US citizens: $2536 billion.

3. Foreign holders: $2066 billion

Top two foreign debt holders:

1. Japanese: $687 billion
2. Chinese: $252 billion

My guess is that the Chinese hold a lot more of our debt now than $252 billion, although I'd be surprised if they've surpassed the Japanese.

The question, then, is how much of our debt do you have to hold to be able to use it as a weapon against us, and at what point in time will the Chinese reach that threshold?

When that day comes, be prepared to grow your own food with a mule and a plow.

(Of course, if the US bombs and/or invades Iran, that's going to kill about 10% of our oil supplies. With demand eating all the oil we can get these days, that means we'll see shortages overnight, albeit hopefully short-term shortages. In any case, the US getting into a real fight with Iran could also put us all into Mule and Plow territory.)

I'll slide on out of tin-foil hat land now ....
 
LOL re:tinfoil-hat-land, bulgron... nevertheless, you raise an important point. Economic warfare is something I don't fully understand, but I can totally see how it's probably more important than conventional warfare in the long run.

Pretty hard to raise or maintain an army if the economy tanks...
 
China and India are in deep, deep debt.
Don't confuse Trade deficits with debt. China has borrowed massive amounts of world money, including the from the US, to do things like build the 3 Gorges project, and overall industrialize their economy and infrastructure.

Their population is out of control. As far as war goes, their only big commodity is human beings. Their economy couldn't sustain occupying Taiwan.
Comparison: Iraq my be like a slow leak to the US economy , Taiwan , for China, would be like a blow-out going 60 mph to their fragile economy.

Our economy dwarfs China's. We are their only large outlet for cheap goods, so, the Trade situation goes both ways. If we impose an import tax on them, China will be in deep serious trouble.
Who is going to buy the excess goods they produce? France?

USA GDP: $ 11,750,000,000,000 .....that's Trillions. We are by no means beholden to China. That's an economic myth.

China misrepresents their GDP, at about $7 Tril, and doesn't even make the top 10 list using their skewed numbers. Most economists agree that China's numbers are about Half of what they report.
The countries whose GDP per Capita, (think standard of living and dollars per person) ranked among the top ten were Luxemburg, Norway, Switzerland, Denmark, Ireland, the United States, Iceland, Japan, Sweden and Qatar.

Looks comparable on the surface, but, when you are counting in Trillions of dollars, it is a quite significant gap, especially considering a big chunk of China's GDP is due to the USA buying their stuff.

Chian calls our debt? Big deal, we hike rates and stop importing their stuff.
We will still eat, be employed and be warm. They will have to lay-off large sectors of their economy and pay for their infrastructure. When you invest to industrialize, you need money coming in to pay for all the new toys.

It's fairly complex, but, when you look at it, we can do without cheap Chinese widgets, while on the other hand, they have trouble even adequately feeding their people. Big difference. They are trying to industrialize, but that is costing them vast sums of money, which means they are mortgaging their future.

If world interest rates rise a couple points, both India and China will fall into deep recessions, possibly depressions. They are maxxed out.

Lastly, look at it this way:
How many of your jobs, and mine, are dependant on China?
Now, how many of their jobs are dependant on the rest of the world buying their widgets?

My Economics professor had a saying:
"When the US's economy sneezes, the world economy gets pneumonia".

Despite what people may say, there isn't going to be a GreatDepressionII, not in the Western World. As far as the 3rd World goes, well, they haven't seen the Movie yet, rapid industrialization brings along a precarious economy.

They are where we were in the 1920's.
I wish them lotsa luck.
 
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