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Anyone digging Terzuola American Made series?
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Pictures and description taken from the True North Knives website.
THE MODEL T-101 IS THE FIRST IN THE SERIES IN THE "AMERICAN MADE" SERIES OF PRODUCTION KNIVES. IT IS A TACTICAL STYLE FOLDING KNIFE OF EXCEPTIONAL STRENGTH AND DURABILITY. IT'S FLAT GROUND BLADE, OF CRUCIBLE'S CPM S30V STEEL, IS RECURVED FOR EXCEPTIONAL CUTTING POWER. THE CARBON FIBER SCALES ARE THE TOUGHEST COMPOSITE LAMINATES AVAILABLE AND ARE PROGRESSIVELY STEP-MILLED AND TEXTURED TO PROVIDE MAXIMUM GRIP. THE LINER AND ALL FITTINGS ARE OF STAINLESS STEEL AND THE SERRATED SPACER IS OF ANODIZED AIRCRAFT GRADE ALUMINUM. THE T-101 IS THE FIRST KNIFE TO USE A MILLED, SOLID CARBON FIBER POCKET CLIP, OPTIMIZED FOR RAPID, ONE HAND DEPLOYMENT AND STOWAGE. IT WAS DESIGNED AND IS MARKETED EXCLUSIVELY BY BOB TERZUOLA. ALL MATERIALS, PARTS AND THE KNIFE ITSELF ARE PROUDLY MADE IN THE USA.
THE MODEL T-101 IS THE FIRST IN THE SERIES IN THE "AMERICAN MADE" SERIES OF PRODUCTION KNIVES. IT IS A TACTICAL STYLE FOLDING KNIFE OF EXCEPTIONAL STRENGTH AND DURABILITY. IT'S FLAT GROUND BLADE, OF CRUCIBLE'S CPM S30V STEEL, IS RECURVED FOR EXCEPTIONAL CUTTING POWER. THE CARBON FIBER SCALES ARE THE TOUGHEST COMPOSITE LAMINATES AVAILABLE AND ARE PROGRESSIVELY STEP-MILLED AND TEXTURED TO PROVIDE MAXIMUM GRIP. THE LINER AND ALL FITTINGS ARE OF STAINLESS STEEL AND THE SERRATED SPACER IS OF ANODIZED AIRCRAFT GRADE ALUMINUM. THE T-101 IS THE FIRST KNIFE TO USE A MILLED, SOLID CARBON FIBER POCKET CLIP, OPTIMIZED FOR RAPID, ONE HAND DEPLOYMENT AND STOWAGE. IT WAS DESIGNED AND IS MARKETED EXCLUSIVELY BY BOB TERZUOLA. ALL MATERIALS, PARTS AND THE KNIFE ITSELF ARE PROUDLY MADE IN THE USA.
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Those are pretty...mmmmm
Kinda nice, but not for the price and the work. Bob apparently isn't doing any work, just the final QC, which makes it a production knife at a midtech price.
I'm not terribly fond of thin-liner linerlocks, especially ones with a single non-inlayed/embedded liner, insubstantial front index guard, and roughly-finished carbon fibre. The spacer isn't titanium or micarta, and the carbon fibre clip doesn't exactly instill confidence in its ductility, ability to provide sufficient tension and resistance to snapping.
The design is nice, but it's not awfully different than the other Terzuola customs (or, for that matter, the massively overpriced Microtech version.)
So, despite my early enthusiasm, I have to give it a "pass". I'd spring for the William Henrys for a higher finish quality and lower price.
Just my opinion. Sorry if I sound down on it... I'd rather save and get a new Terzuola custom (or a less expensive one on the secondary market) first.
-j
I'm not terribly fond of thin-liner linerlocks, especially ones with a single non-inlayed/embedded liner, insubstantial front index guard, and roughly-finished carbon fibre. The spacer isn't titanium or micarta, and the carbon fibre clip doesn't exactly instill confidence in its ductility, ability to provide sufficient tension and resistance to snapping.
The design is nice, but it's not awfully different than the other Terzuola customs (or, for that matter, the massively overpriced Microtech version.)
So, despite my early enthusiasm, I have to give it a "pass". I'd spring for the William Henrys for a higher finish quality and lower price.
Just my opinion. Sorry if I sound down on it... I'd rather save and get a new Terzuola custom (or a less expensive one on the secondary market) first.
-j
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I like the looks of it and the carbon fiber tip up clip. At first I was surprised at the price for a mid-tech but it's for the First Production Run Limited to 250 Knives. I'm hoping that after that run, the price will come down.
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"American made" - Is that another way of saying Camillus?
Esav Benyamin
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I have no idea who makes them, but if you compare what Camillus charges for a Darrel Ralph collaboration like the CUDA Maxx or the EDC, you will really wonder why these Terzuolas are so expensive.
Get a real Terzuola off the secondary market.
Get a real Terzuola off the secondary market.
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Dig the cf clip ! I've got a Hara that has one and they are the stuff ! I wish that more knifes came with them. . .or as an option !
I have several of Bob T.'s customs and a MT/Bob T. collab. Sweet !
The basic design of the knife and blade grinds are very very nice. . .and tempting ! But, price tag kills it !
Personally, there are too many "production" outfits trying to get on the play and at prices that just wanna make ya go
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I have several of Bob T.'s customs and a MT/Bob T. collab. Sweet !
The basic design of the knife and blade grinds are very very nice. . .and tempting ! But, price tag kills it !
Personally, there are too many "production" outfits trying to get on the play and at prices that just wanna make ya go
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I'm with GigOne on this. I have some of Bob's customs and at the price these Production knives are going for I would look for a Custom on the secondary market.
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Just to let you guys know, Camillus is NOT making these knives. They are being made by Vince Ford at the BCT facilities, located at but NOT produced by or owned by, Bladetech. BOB
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I think it is unfair to dismiss this knife based on price without having handled one. It is also unfair to compare the knife to Camillus products that are made of lower grade steel/materials (not that I am putting those products down...just saying that a knife made of cheaper steel will have a cheaper overall price). I think it is important to consider the manufacturing process as well.
I did have the opportunity to handle one during my visit to True North Knives last week and I can attest that it is a high quality piece. I like the feel of the carbon fiber, the CF pocket clip, and the fact that the blade is flat ground. I also like the classic design elements of a Terzuola e.g. thumb disk and liner on one side.
RL
I did have the opportunity to handle one during my visit to True North Knives last week and I can attest that it is a high quality piece. I like the feel of the carbon fiber, the CF pocket clip, and the fact that the blade is flat ground. I also like the classic design elements of a Terzuola e.g. thumb disk and liner on one side.
RL
I'm a "Bob T." fan......
I've always liked his aesthetics, and as a beginning collector, I've purchased various of his collaborations. I'm on-the-prowl for one of his customs.
This new line *_is_* attractive, but as with many others here and elsewhere in the knife-enthusiast community, it's pricing is a bit high in and of itself in my most humble opinion.
By that statement I do not mean that it is high for the quality of product, but rather that the dollar amount is significant when compared to a full-on custom -- enough so that I will more than likely not purchase this piece without having first handled the knife first-hand.
That said, I think that reports coming from RL and others who have handled the knife first-hand are very promising indeed, and I believe that when I do get the chance to fondle one of these fine looking folders, one will find its way home in my pocket.
Allen
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I've always liked his aesthetics, and as a beginning collector, I've purchased various of his collaborations. I'm on-the-prowl for one of his customs.
This new line *_is_* attractive, but as with many others here and elsewhere in the knife-enthusiast community, it's pricing is a bit high in and of itself in my most humble opinion.
By that statement I do not mean that it is high for the quality of product, but rather that the dollar amount is significant when compared to a full-on custom -- enough so that I will more than likely not purchase this piece without having first handled the knife first-hand.
That said, I think that reports coming from RL and others who have handled the knife first-hand are very promising indeed, and I believe that when I do get the chance to fondle one of these fine looking folders, one will find its way home in my pocket.
Allen
aka DumboRAT
Allen,
Much as I often agree with you, this time I must respectfully disagree.
Obviously we will both eventually agree to disagree, but I beg to present the argument that this series is expensive compared to others of the same quality and/or price.
As you can get any number of limited-run production-grade knives in S30V for less than $100 street (Benchmade, Spyderco), S30V with titanium slabs at $150 (Benchmade), full-on two-slab at 0.15" titanium framelock semi-productions with S30V for $345 (Sebenza), and the WH Westcliffe Button Lock (two CF slabs, no liner, 3" 154CM) for $225, I find it a little disappointing that this knife, which has a single, thin, Ti liner, and two CF slabs with S30V to slot in at $325.
Jeff Hall's Nemesis midtech Xenon, with a 4.25" S30V blade, 0.80" Ti liners, and two CF slabs, is slated to slot in at $325-$350. Similarly with the Mayo Midtech, which might be expected to use S30V and titanium is expected at the same price. Even the Strider AR/GB, which has a larger S30V blade, two thick Ti liners, is about the same price.
It is possible that these projected mid-techs will be more expensive. However, not by much -- this IS the mid-tech market, and barring some exceptions (Onion mid-tech being one of them...
) the mid-tech market should be expected to be less than the custom version. This seems to hold true even when the custom versions are unavailable even on the primary market (Onion, Mayo, unfortunately not Emerson ). The American Made series is not, unfortunately, a true mid-tech. Furthermore, Terzuola customs are not terribly difficult to acquire on the primary market, much less the secondary market.
So it is, in my opinion, not a terribly good bargain on the basis of cost of materials used (any!), lightness and size (WH), fit and finish quality (WH, Sebenza), difficulty of manufacture (Nemesis, Strider), hand-crafting (any mid-tech), scarcity, or even name and design (second hand Terzuola).
I'm sure there are many people who will like and buy them; I'm not going to argue with them. Heaven knows I've spent more than my fair share of money on things that are massively overpriced in comparison to other market competitors ( ); I'm just providing some evidence for my perspective.
I think the point of the mid-tech concept is of great value -- for those of us with less disposable income and time (considering also that secondary market prices can be well over the original primary market price) and yet with much desire for the design, name, and hand-crafted quality of the original. Personally, I don't mind paying more when some of the work (final fit and finish) is conducted by the original maker, but when it's only the design, I find it difficult to pay much more than for a regular production.
If these do come in at a equal quality, fit, finish to similar knives, I'm good for a look, provided it doesn't cost me to ship around. After all, as it's been said, none of the work is actually performed by Mr. Terzuola, and the materials aren't comparable to similar market competitors. At one point, I had a second hand TTF-3a of which I was required to divest myself due to financial difficulties and to this day I still think of finding a Terzuola bargain.
That's my $0.02, and I'm sticking to it.
-j
Much as I often agree with you, this time I must respectfully disagree.
Obviously we will both eventually agree to disagree, but I beg to present the argument that this series is expensive compared to others of the same quality and/or price.
As you can get any number of limited-run production-grade knives in S30V for less than $100 street (Benchmade, Spyderco), S30V with titanium slabs at $150 (Benchmade), full-on two-slab at 0.15" titanium framelock semi-productions with S30V for $345 (Sebenza), and the WH Westcliffe Button Lock (two CF slabs, no liner, 3" 154CM) for $225, I find it a little disappointing that this knife, which has a single, thin, Ti liner, and two CF slabs with S30V to slot in at $325.
Jeff Hall's Nemesis midtech Xenon, with a 4.25" S30V blade, 0.80" Ti liners, and two CF slabs, is slated to slot in at $325-$350. Similarly with the Mayo Midtech, which might be expected to use S30V and titanium is expected at the same price. Even the Strider AR/GB, which has a larger S30V blade, two thick Ti liners, is about the same price.
It is possible that these projected mid-techs will be more expensive. However, not by much -- this IS the mid-tech market, and barring some exceptions (Onion mid-tech being one of them...
) the mid-tech market should be expected to be less than the custom version. This seems to hold true even when the custom versions are unavailable even on the primary market (Onion, Mayo, unfortunately not Emerson ). The American Made series is not, unfortunately, a true mid-tech. Furthermore, Terzuola customs are not terribly difficult to acquire on the primary market, much less the secondary market.So it is, in my opinion, not a terribly good bargain on the basis of cost of materials used (any!), lightness and size (WH), fit and finish quality (WH, Sebenza), difficulty of manufacture (Nemesis, Strider), hand-crafting (any mid-tech), scarcity, or even name and design (second hand Terzuola).
I'm sure there are many people who will like and buy them; I'm not going to argue with them. Heaven knows I've spent more than my fair share of money on things that are massively overpriced in comparison to other market competitors (
); I'm just providing some evidence for my perspective.I think the point of the mid-tech concept is of great value -- for those of us with less disposable income and time (considering also that secondary market prices can be well over the original primary market price) and yet with much desire for the design, name, and hand-crafted quality of the original. Personally, I don't mind paying more when some of the work (final fit and finish) is conducted by the original maker, but when it's only the design, I find it difficult to pay much more than for a regular production.
If these do come in at a equal quality, fit, finish to similar knives, I'm good for a look, provided it doesn't cost me to ship around. After all, as it's been said, none of the work is actually performed by Mr. Terzuola, and the materials aren't comparable to similar market competitors. At one point, I had a second hand TTF-3a of which I was required to divest myself due to financial difficulties and to this day I still think of finding a Terzuola bargain.
That's my $0.02, and I'm sticking to it.
-j