Anyone encounter ignorant people who just don't get it ?

[Hickory n steel]

I belong to a tool forum and a couple days ago I posted about my Vaughn sub zero hatchet project and how I overhauled it and gave it a patina with ketchup. And today pretty much all I get is comments about who needs an axe when they have a wood splitter and chainsaw, how they're a disposable tool, and how one of them recently just took a bunch of them to the scrapyard " but it's OK because they weren't any good anymore because I chopped of the handles and used 'em for firewood " and when I reply that the heads are the important part cause the hafts can be replaced , I get "oh I thought the handles were the important part because the grain was good and they had ketchup on them " then I get comments about throwing away any heads they find and " I'm glad you scrapped the axe heads so they can be sent to China and turned into throw away wrenches " basically entirely disrespecting axes in general, and trying to insult and anger me for liking them. ( I only stay with that other forum, because there a few good people there who I can get information from )

 

[Operator1975]

Welcome to the internet.

 

[Greykilt]

I belong to a tool forum and a couple days ago I posted about my Vaughn sub zero hatchet project and how I overhauled it and gave it a patina with ketchup. And today pretty much all I get is comments about who needs an axe when they have a wood splitter and chainsaw, how they're a disposable tool, and how one of them recently just took a bunch of them to the scrapyard " but it's OK because they weren't any good anymore because I chopped of the handles and used 'em for firewood " and when I reply that the heads are the important part cause the hafts can be replaced , I get "oh I thought the handles were the important part because the grain was good and they had ketchup on them " then I get comments about throwing away any heads they find and " I'm glad you scrapped the axe heads so they can be sent to China and turned into throw away wrenches " basically entirely disrespecting axes in general, and trying to insult and anger me for liking them. ( I only stay with that other forum, because there a few good people there who I can get information from )

Folks like that are called Trolls. Every forum has them, even Blade Forums , what makes a forum troll free is its moderation staff. They're pretty good here.

 

[BG_Farmer]

The idea that someone wouldn't want to throw away something old or worse use a tool that would take time away from their sports watching, internet porn, gambling, etc.is too much for some.

 

[Hickory n steel]

These are the same guys who called me a troll ( because I outed people for trolling my posts, and wouldn't let them have the last word ) and tried to run me off. the real point of the post wasn't about trolls, but people who don't understand the interest in axes ( for whatever reason ) and weather they could be convinced or not. ( by the way there happen to be 0 trolls lurking around the airgun forum I belong to, so the internet isn't necessarily all bad ride:ride: )

 

[halfaxe]

I think it is common that people in general don't appreciate old hand tools. Most of my family and friends don't understand what the appeal is. That's one of the reasons why I come here.

 

[David Martin]

I cannot see the usage some label as 'troll'. But this odd definition has become accepted. Anyway, true people look at hand tools as passe'. Someone who are skilled and can work with hand tools, producing a good product is like, a throw back. Retro... In a different class, as not many can do that. DM

 

[tanglediver]

To say an axe is not needed because you have saws and splitters is a statement loaded with folly. It's just like saying bicycles are not needed because you have an automobile. But a bike, or an axe is a good means to build cardio endurance, that being just one benefit. Enjoyment of use is good enough for me, or like nutnfancy says, "Second kind of cool, off limits."

And as for trolling, I went trolling last spring. ... I caught me a couple nice gamefish by that method!

 

[Old Axeman]

If your interest is old tools and their use you might want to check out the Early American Industries Association (EAIA). They have been around since 1933. Their mission is " Celebrating Trades, Crafts, and Tools in American History and their Impact on Our Lives" They produce a truely wonderfull publication four times a year, THE CHRONICLE. Membership is only $ 39.00 a year. Check them out and you will find that the EAIA is a top drawer group. I have supported them since 1968. They have an annual meeting with tool auction, and people also selling tools outright, that will blow you away. This year the annual meeting is at Pleasant Hill Shaker Village near Harrodsburg, Kentucky May 18th-21st. I dont know about their internet presence, this forum is the only internet place I have been on.

 

[Hacked]

You mean the Vaughan Sub Zero Sportsman's Axe?

Love mine! Your post would have been welcomed here

 

[Steve Tall]

If your interest is old tools and their use you might want to check out the Early American Industries Association (EAIA). They have been around since 1933. Their mission is " Celebrating Trades, Crafts, and Tools in American History and their Impact on Our Lives" They produce a truely wonderfull publication four times a year, THE CHRONICLE. Membership is only $ 39.00 a year. Check them out and you will find that the EAIA is a top drawer group. I have supported them since 1968. They have an annual meeting with tool auction, and people also selling tools outright, that will blow you away. This year the annual meeting is at Pleasant Hill Shaker Village near Harrodsburg, Kentucky May 18th-21st. I dont know about their internet presence, this forum is the only internet place I have been on.

Here's the site for the Early American Industries Association (EAIA), with information about their publication The Chronicle.
http://eaiainfo.org/publications/the-chronicle/

They offer a DVD of all the back issues of the Chronicle, from 1933 - 2007, for 15 bucks. I recently got one for myself. A searchable index goes back to 1986 (but the DVD goes all the way back to 1933). Here are the listings for "axe" in the partial index:


Axe and Its Variations, Civil and Military, The (Buehnet), 39:3 48
axe carriers, 39:1 3, 39:2 21, 39:2 22
for intrenching axes, 39:2 21
axe handles
twibils, 38:2 28–30
"Axe Handle Twibils" (Straffin), 38:2 28–30
"Axe Heads and Handles" (Gamble), 57:2 47–50
"Axe Identified" (Klenman), 50:2 63
axe makers, 46:1 26–27
Canada, 42:4 94
Pictou County, Nova Scotia, 40:1 3–6
Sager, William J., 45:3 70–71
Warnock, J., & Co., 42:4 94
Axe Makers of North America (Klenman), 45:2 60
axe mortise chisels, 42:4 89
axes, 42:4 front cover. See also broad axes; chisel axes; goosewing axes; hatchets
Abercrombie & Fitch, 52:1 38
adze-eye mounted axes, 50:1 36
African, 50:2 63
Alaska, 37:1 20A
Amoskeag Ax Co., 51:4 129–130
Anderson, James, 45:1 20
Axe Age, 51:1 23–24, 51:3 96, 51:4 130, 52:4 161
Babbitt, Andrew J., 44:1 22
Barton, D. R., 53:1 23
bearded, 54:4 135
Beatty Axe Co., 48:1 20–21, 50:1 37, 50:2 back cover
bench, 49:2 49
Benjamin, Timothy, 45:2 47
Blenkhorn's Chief, 47:4 127
boarding, 43:3 79
broad, 45:3 90
Brooks, 49:4 105
for building frontier forts, 38:2 22
camp, 39:1 1–3
Canada pattern broad axe, 42:3 59–61
Canadian, 43:4 93
carpenters', 60:2 65
Carter, Pulaski, 56:1 1–8, 56:3 125
ceremonial, 46:1 31
characteristics of, 54:4 139–143
Chopper 1, 45:3 90, 45:4 118, 46:4 108
compagnon armorer's, 60:1 5
coopers, 48:1 7–8
coopers' side ax, 60:2 54
for cutting firewood, 54:1 29, 54:1 30
debarking, 39:3 52
decoration on, 54:4 141
decorations on, 37:1 20A
Dixie, 51:3 95–96
DORPIAN, 51:1 7
Dorpian (Whitbeck), 50:4 128
double-bitted, 40:3 51–52
Dundas Axe Works, 43:4 93
Dutch, 45:2 59, 46:1 9
Emerson & Stephens, 50:2 43
factory-made, 39:1 1
"faling," 46:2 47
felling, 39:1 1, 39:2 22, 46:3 89
Fenn, Leonard, 57:4 157
Fowler, Josiah, 54:1 25
French Acadian, 49:3 71
French coopers', 57:2 49
German, 41:3 58, 49:1 23–24
goosewing, 40:2 36, 44:3 91, 54:4 135–143, 57:2 49
hand, 45:3 87
handles, 37:2 36, 44:3 82, 57:2 47–50
handling, 39:3 48–49
Hannum, 44:3 79, 45:1 17, 45:2 44, 45:3 90
Hathaway, Braddock, 54:2 60
Hawley Collection, 59:4 129
heads, 57:2 47–50
hewing, 46:3 72
Hills, Allan, 57:3 90, 57:4 139
in Holland, 38:1 13–14
Honduran mahogany cut with, 48:4 94–95
house brands and trade names, 50:2 insert
Hudson Bay pattern, 39:2 22–23, 43:2 30, 52:1 38
hunters, 60:2 62
ice, 52:1 33, 52:3 123, 53:3 127
identification of axeheads, 39:3 52A
intrenching, 39:1 2, 39:2 23
iron and steel production for, 54:4 136–138
Jamestown Axe Co., 51:1 23–24
Kent pattern, 38:3 51
Kent-style, 37:2 22
King, 45:1 20–21
lat (lath), 52:3 111
Latin American, 39:1 1
Lincoln Axe Co., 47:2 41
lugged (ribbed), 38:1 9
lumberman's, 38:2 22
make-do (repaired), 43:3 61
make-do tools from, 44:3 86
makers, 43:4 111
making, 54:4 136–137
making, account books, 44:1 26
making handles, 40:1 15
Mann Edge Tool Co., 53:3 95, 53:3 122
Marble's, 47:2 42
Marshall-Wells Co., 43:4 107
medieval, 37:1 20A
Minoan double-bladed, 40:3 52
mortise, 55:1 15
Mycenaean double-bladed, 40:3 52
Neolithic origins of, 40:3 51–52
New Brunswick pattern, 37:2 23
nibbed, 37:1 20A, 37:2 20, 38:1 14, 44:4 117, 45:1 20, 45:3 90
Norse, 37:2 41
Nova Scotia pattern, 37:2 23
Old Sturbrige Village, 37:1 20
in painting of Peter the Great, 38:1 13–14
patents, 37:4 68
post, 52:1 33
primitive, 50:2 63
promotional, 52:1 38
protecting edges, 47:4 103
Pulaski, 56:3 125
regional, 39:1 1, 42:3 59
repairing, 39:3 36
RKB Enterprises, Inc., 48:3 60
Romer, Nicholas, 46:1 11, 46:1 35
in Russia, 38:1 13–14
sabot, 40:1 13
Sager, 48:1 16
Sager chemical process axe, 45:3 70, 45:3 71
Scandinavian, 37:2 41
Shell, 52:4 161
ship's carpenter's, 60:2 59
shipwrights' (mast), 54:2 62–63
short-handled, 38:4 73, 39:2 28
"side," 57:2 49
slate-axes, 43:4 106
Smart, 50:1 20
Smart, James, Manufacturing Co., 37:3 45–46
Spiller, Mark D. and Norman W., 48:1 33
Spiller family, 44:2 40
Swedish, 37:2 41
Tomahawk Pattern, 43:2 30
trimming, 54:2 63
Truchet, B., 46:1 26
turpentine, 41:1 16–17
using, 37:4 67
U.S. military, 39:1 1–3, 39:2 21–23
Walters Axe Co., 40:4 57–61
wedge pattern, 37:2 23
as wedges, 49:3 79
western Massachusetts, 44:3 79
whatsits, 39:3 52
Witherell Axe Co., 50:1 37, 50:2 43
"Axes," 49:3 71
Axes (Klenman), 43:2 30
Axford, Sarah, 58:4 157
ax hammers
for granite cutting and dressing, 59:4 139
"Ax Making in Pictou County, Nova Scotia" (Wyllie), 40:1 3–6

 

[TimmyJ]

Hickory N Steel,

Welcome to bladeforums! I'm fairly new here myself, but I can say there are a great group of folks here. Stand up for your convictions, be yourself, like what you like and walk tall. Don't give negative comments a second thought....they simply don't matter.
Dr. Seuss said it best; "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mid."

Tim

 

[Riz!]

It really is a shame... The early Knife, Axe and Hammer are arguably the most important items in early human evolution and history, its what sets us apart from the rest of the animal life on our planet. Even if it is the knapped churt, shoulder bone axe and a softball sized river rock, they represent a signifcant step in our history. And as tools, they are still relevant. An axe never runs out of gas. I think that attitude you encountered represents a a shift in our culture. Gotta have everything as fast as possible and immediately discount the value of simple things in life.

 

[Bufford]

Splitting white birch does not require a powered splitter as it has a fine straight grain and splits easily. If anything at all a powered splitter would slow me down waiting for the piston, and being hunched over it would become tiring. My neighbor has one, tried it and found it far slower than using a light maul 3lb head.
I heat with wood, and with full winters and a well insulated house it takes about 6 bush cords to heat the place and about 25 gallons of furnace oil at most for backup.

 

[Hickory n steel]

You mean the Vaughan Sub Zero Sportsman's Axe?

Love mine! Your post would have been welcomed here

Yep the little super sportsman! The Michigan is my favorite head pattern ( I love The beautiful flowing lines they have ) and it's one of the few hatchets that can be considered a true Michigan pattern. I'm gonna throw in a couple pics real quick

 

[Old Axeman]

Steve, thanks for using your impressive skills to put the EAIA info up.

 

[Steve Tall]

Steve, thanks for using your impressive skills to put the EAIA info up.

You're welcome. Getting 75 years of The Chronicle for 15 bucks was money well spent.

 

[Bo T]

They may have been baiting you. But, I m incline to think it may be the 'shift in our culture' as noted above. I've seen many shows on flipping and restoring houses where pristine cabinets etc. are rarely salvaged but sledge hammered. After all, used cabinets might result in a lost sale of new cabinets. And maintaining old axes means the potential loss of a sale of a new ax.

 

[Hickory n steel]

They may have been baiting you. But, I m incline to think it may be the 'shift in our culture' as noted above. I've seen many shows on flipping and restoring houses where pristine cabinets etc. are rarely salvaged but sledge hammered. After all, used cabinets might result in a lost sale of new cabinets. And maintaining old axes means the potential loss of a sale of a new ax.

Ever seen the show salvage dawgs ? It's a great show where the salvage old barn wood,cast iron fencing.. ect for their shop and people will pay a premium for the natural beauty of age that can't be replicated. ( I sure wish all people felt the same way )

 

[Bo T]

Ever seen the show salvage dawgs ? It's a great show where the salvage old barn wood,cast iron fencing.. ect for their shop and people will pay a premium for the natural beauty of age that can't be replicated. ( I sure wish all people felt the same way )

I don't believe I have. I'll look for it in the future.