anyone here do archery?

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I'm interested in starting out. Any tips or suggestions?
Archery, not Kyudo. I dont want to do archery as a meditative martial art, more as a sport with practical martial/hunting/etc implications.

Oh, and heres a link to a site that I'm looking at for Magyar/Mongolian/Avar/Turkish bows.

http://www.horsebows.com/horsebows.html
 
If you want to seriously get into hunting with it, you should buy a compound bow. But theyre kind of like computers in that they get eclipsed by new bows in a couple of months.
 
Compounds are certainly one person's opinion.

My opinion is this: If you want to seriously get into hunting, go with traditional equipment. :D
 
I am a bow hunter. Although I haven't done much bow hunting in the last couple of years. If you are interested in hunting rather than target shooting, I suggest you get an inexpensive compound bow of at least 50 pounds draw weight. I use two bladed broadheads (Bear super razorheads usually) and they take down deer just fine. Learn to shoot instinctive rather than fool with all of the sighting gizmos available. My opinion and YMMV.

Good luck.
 
Sempers right about instinctive shooting, its the way to go.

Those bows in your link look very nice, and are priced even nicer, but I still think that for hunting, you owe the animal a more humane death that high draw weights and good production broadheads allow.

Until you develop Fred Bear like skills that is.
 
Yep, long time traditional archer here too. I shoot a 78 lb longbow, made by Dan Quillian many years ago.

Go with the type that you are attracted to, longbow, recurve or compound.
I agree with Semper that instinctive shooting is best. Although, all those sights and gizmos get tempting, nothing as sophisticated as your brain.

Fun stuff, no matter why you are interested, fun, sport, martial arts, etc.
 
Those are some awesome bows (horse bows)....would love to have one, but $$$ :eek:


I bow hunt with a compound. Cost me $40....old Martin. I know, I'm cheap. I can do a 4" circle at 30 yds. and that's good enough for me. I use very simple sighting equipment (think eye + splinter) and will never pull a string on a deer outside 30 yds anyway....so I don't need anything fancy.


Go for it - you'll love it!
 
I used to have that page bookmarked, but lost it when the old Netscape browser started erasing it's bookmarks. Now I have it again and thanks for the link.
 
I do kyudo, yes, but I approach it from a Budo perspective.
Like I said about kendo, you can getwhat you want out of it with the right perspective.
Do I want to be a kyudo master ? I dont know.
I also have a Mathews bow for hunting.
(not in japan)
I have never been hunting with it, so I dont know if it works or not, but I also like olympic archery, I just cant afford their bows.
($$$)
 
I have an ancient Bear Grizzly with a simple set of post/bead with a peep woven into the string. It shoots extremely well and the occasional deer doesn't know that I am not using traditional equipment (although I'd like to).
 
Here's another rambling Satori story for you:

I had a buddy from the ship a while back who got into archery simply because he'd inherited his grandfather's old bow.

The man was a bit of a knucklehead but he was an outstanding marksman and practiced diligently. He didn't know the first thing about archery so he learned. Then he practiced. Being a resident of the ship he couldn't very well practice there so he used to come by my place. My room mate is a professed bowhunter (although he's only taken his bow out a few times and has never gotten a deer with it - he's lucky to get the ground with it, in fact) and has some hay bales laying around (you probably saw some of them in my beercan massacre movies if you watched them); combined with a wide back yard, this individual had a secluded archery range all his own.

I didn't pay much attention. I'm not an archer. I found it odd that in this day of compound bows with fiberoptic sights and such, this man was using his grandfather's simple longbow. No pulleys, not even a recurve...no sights...no frills at all. The relic was actually made of wood. Even I knew that no one uses wooden bows anymore. The guy was nuts. But he practiced constantly. Three times a week at first, more as his chest and back got used to the exercise. After a month, he was out there nearly every day, at all hours of the day. I was not surprised to find him there when I got home from work. Likewise, I was not surprised to find him there when I woke up in the morning.

One fateful Saturday I was puttering around and noticed my room mate and my friend out there, giving the paper plates a hard time with their bows. I went out to have a look.

"This guy's pretty good," my room mate said. "Really good."
"Going well?" I asked my friend.
"I can usually hit it," he said.
"The plate?" I asked.
"No," he said, without detectable emotion, "the bull." It was then that I'd noticed that he'd dotted the middle of the plate with a marker. We were at least thirty yards away from that bale of hay.
"Hit it, then," I said. He took up his antiquated, no-pulley-having, no-sight-having, made-of-wood contraption, drew it back, and hit the bull. He didn't seem particularly pleased by the shot. I would've been pleased to have made that shot with a pistol.

"Everyone gets lucky," I taunted. "Do it again."

This is the part that always stands out very clearly in my mind. He nocked another arrow, drew back, and loosed. We heard an odd sound upon impact - not quite metallic, but definately solid. The second arrow was parked several inches away from the first, two o'clock...still on the paper plate, but outside of the bull.

"I hate it when that happens," he said, obviously not surprised by what had happened. I didn't understand - not at the time - so I just went along with it. We approached to take a look. You may have already guessed how this turned out:

The first arrow's butt was trashed - he'd struck it with the second arrow. The noise we'd heard was the impact. It had deflected off to the 2 o'clock position.

Not only had he struck his first arrow with the second at a pretty long distance by archery standards, but it happened often enough that he recognized it for what it was and it got on his nerves. I don't know...maybe it happens all the time in archery but it impressed the heck out of me. Most pistols don't shoot that well out of a rest.

The moral of the story is that it doesn't matter how "antiquated" the tool is; if you learn how to use it properly and practice, practice, practice, you may be surprised by just what it (and you) can do.
 
Traditional is more fun for me but compounds are easier to learn to use IMO. Seems to me that compound guys are always "fussing" with their do dads. If going traditional, start with near center cut recurve(makes getting the right arrow spine easier) and go with a low poundage so you can develop good form. I suggest going to a traditional archery shoot to handle many bows and see what strikes your fancy. Good websites are stickbow.com and tradgang.com. The horse bows would be hard to learn as a first bow, esp if you do not have a mentor. BTW, high poundage does not necessarily make for cleaner kills, sharp broadheads kill by bleeding, not kinetic energy.
 
Traditional shooting with a long or shortbow is/was more fun for me when I was able to shoot a bow strong enough for deer hunting.
My grandpa made my first bow and arrows and taught me too shoot and taught me the old way with the arrow laying over the thumb with the bow held in my left hand.
I learned years later that the "proper" way to shoot was with the arrow over the fingers with the bow in the left hand. I tried it but couldn't hit the broadside of a large barn. With the advent of the newer bows with the built in arrow rests I eventually learned to shoot that way but I never did become as proficient as I was with my old stick longbow.
I now have a half decent Osage Orange bow that's too light for deer but is fun too shoot. I started shooting again the old way for a while but it got too be too much of a chore too shoot by myself and have to retrieve all the arrows each time so I quit.
I was starting too get half way decent once again too.
Now I've lost the bowstring and need to make another, perhaps if I had more than half a dozen arrows it wouldn't be so bad to retrive them.:D ;)
After Sarge made the Red Oak bow after giving his old one away I bought some red oak that hopefully will make a decent bow. If I can get it too at least 55 pounds I think it would be legal for deer in Tennesee where my grandson lives so I could give it too him.
After thoroughly checking it out myself too make sure it was all right of course.;) :D
 
Hey, I shoot with all those gizmos and whatnot on my bowtech patriot. I used to shoot instinctive, but it's really fun using peep sights and red dots, which'll make sure you're lined up consistently each time, and accuracy will go through the roof. I can consistently hit an orange at 30 yards using them, but won't hit a pumpkin at the same range if I'm trying to shoot instinctive.
 
Years ago I used to shoot compatition archery with the local club. The range was 20 yards, indoor. The bulls eye is about the size of the bottom of a styrofoam cup. There is definitely a zen kinda thing going on when you are doing it. The only thing that should be tight is the muscles required to hold the bow and anchor the nock point. Relaxed stance, left hand holding the bow relaxed (if gripped tightly the impact will be left or right). I've used a mechanical release and just used a finger pad.

Once I was focusing on relaxing everything I let go of the mechanical release (instead of pushing the button release)...the release went flying, the arrow barely hit the top of the bales. I never did find the release! I felt like an idiot. Fortunately I was the only one there at the time.
I've done a "Robin Hood" before. It's real expensive when you put one arrow halfway down the shaft of another. Usually you just have to glue a new nock on...sometimes you're out a pair of expensive aluminum shafts.

Instinctive with a longbow or with a tricked out compound you still need to put in the time to practice. You owe it to the game.

Side note: The last few years the local pistiol club has had a compitition with the local archery club. They set up hay bales at twenty yards just out side the pistiol range and they go at it. It hasn't even been really close.The archery club hasn't lost yet.
 
I came across this nother website (manufacturer's) on traditional hungarian bows 1-2 months ago when the last big archery thread was up: http://www.grozerarchery.com/index_m.htm - maybe you'llfind something useful there as well :)

They sure look nice but i figured i'd set out and make me my own longbow. I got a staff of ash, just over 6" long, now i'm trying to tiller it properly (i'm a n00b at this + my fingers are all cut and sanded up as it is + i tore one rope [which used to be my "tillering string"] already :grumpy: ). If i actually finish this thing and it shoots without breaking i'll be damn proud :D

I'm not entirely sure as to what kind of bowstring i'm supposed to use,the nyloncord that i tore would probably support my entire wight under normal circumstances so i figured it willsustain half of that while i'm doing the tillering :(
 
Compounds can be fun, but I prefer traditional. I have a '54 Bear Kodiak. You do not need a compound to give an animal a "more humane" death, draw weight is draw weight. 45-50# is all you need for deer.
 
anybody watch the archery shooting segment of the American Shooter show?
Fun stuff w/ a trad bow.
 
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