Anyone know anything about kayaks?

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I've done a bit of kayaking in the past, mainly bay/harbor conditions in a an Ocean Kayak Scupper Pro that I owned for a while, a Perception Carolina, and a Necky Dolphin. I took my wife and girls camping this weekend and we did some kayaking on the lake. Needless to say, everyone wants a kayak now. This is quite an expensive undertaking, so we've started a fund toward this goal. Anyway, just wondering what people's thoughts are on sit-on-top vs sit-ins, etc. We live on an island, so I think the majority of what these yaks will see are bay conditions. I figure we need a tandem and two singles for me (6'1"), my wife (5'3"), 12yr old daughter (5'0"), and 5yr old daughter.
 
Hi wintermute. I'm no expert, but my wife and I enjoy an Old Town Loon 16' tandem. We do all flat water/lake/touring type stuff. The boat is plenty big enough for us an camping gear for a long weekend. The Loon is a recreational kayak. We went with a recreational boat rather than a full-blown tandem touring boat because of cost and us not being sure how much we were going to use it. Though not as sleek as a touring boat, the Loon is still faster and far more stable than a canoe. Ours has a rudder, which helps a lot on wnidy days.

We looked briefly at sit-on-tops, but they didn't seem to offer the cargo capacity as a sit-in boat did. Also, we felt the sit-in boat had more room if we were to add a child into the mix. That was the thinking back about 6 years ago, and now we have a child who we'll most likely get out onto the water next summer. Another reason we went with a sit in is that you can fashion a spray skirt to the boat. A spray skirt is really nice when one is facing rough water or bad weather. In both cases, the spray skirt will help you stay dry and warm.

Since you are looking to invest in multiple boats, I suggest first doing research and narrowing down a few different models that may be in your ballpark as new boats. Whereas your 12y/o can probably handle her own boat, I would plan on having the 5 y/o ride with you and your wife. At 5 y/o, she most likely won't have the speed, endurance, or boat handling proficiency to keep up with the rest of the family unless you're on a very short trip. You could also get a second single that the 5 y/o can eventually grow into, which you or your wife can pilot, and the 5 y/o can ride in the tandem with an adult until she can manage her own boat. Getting two boats now rather than three will be easier on the wallet, too. Also, consider the safety factors of having your 5 y/o in her own boat vs. having her with you in the the tandem.

Once you decide on what boats you think you'd like, check out the used market. If there is an outfitter somewhere near you (REI store, or any place that rents kayaks), inquire with them, as they sell their rental boats from time to time. Shopping for used boats may not always yield exactly what you are looking for, so you may have to be flexible with what you can get.

We are really happy with our Old Town boat. I think Old Town offers very good value in their boats. The have a broad range of products from simple rec boats up to sleek touring boats. I'd very likely consider getting another boat from Old Town if I was in the market. Necky and Wilderness Systems also make singles that I would consider.

Good luck with your kayak quest!
 
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My dad has been kayaking for a long time and as a kid I was always playing about in one of his boats.
You really dont need to spend alot of money to get functional kit together.
You can get a boat and paddle for the price of a nice knife, or less depending how nice that knife is :p

If you just want somethining to play about in ask about a set up at some local kayak clubs.
I bet there will be a few "spare" boats available from some of those folks for a good price.

The shorter and fatter the boat the harder it is to paddle as those are for
white water and best avoided if you just want something to potter about in.

:thumbup:
 
Reminds me of the scene in "The Fan" when the store owner asks Robert De Niro (knife salesman) if he has any kayaks. Classic. :D
 
I have a pelican, and my dad has a sit on top pelican. THe ones that you sit on top are better for anywhere that has waves. And fishing
 
With bay conditions and children, I'd vote for sit-on-tops. Mainly because they're more stable and because re-entry is not quite as much of a chore.

Watch those weather conditions. This thread got my attention as to how type III PFDs (life vests) and choppy conditions can still be life threatening.

If it were just me (solo), I'd go for a nice sleek sea kayak in the 17 to 19 foot range.
 
I have a 16' Tesla Touring kayak and really like it. But, as you say, it is a very expensive undertaking to think of 4 boats. I would suggest building them. You can easily build a tough, safe and stable 16' tandem for something around $350. Do a google search on Skin On Frame (SOF) kayaks an start reading. I have a 19' Tandem started, but got to many irons in the fire, hopefully I'll get back on it in a week or so. When you follow the search links you will bint tutorials on paddle building also. Use search terms "Greenland" , "Skin on frame", "Aleut" along with Kayak
There are several types to go with, my first will be a SOF boat with marine plywood crossmembers and poplar chines with a nylon skin coated in Urethane.
Here is a link
http://yostwerks.com/index.html
 
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