anyone know what this guided sharpener is?

[Mo2]

found this on instagram and the guy was Russian, didn't list what it was.

anyone have any ideas?

 

[cbwx34]

Spend any time on Instagram... variations of these type sharpeners are coming out like rabbits. (Almost all from Russia... kinda interesting).

 

[Mo2]

Spend any time on Instagram... variations of these type sharpeners are coming out like rabbits. (Almost all from Russia... kinda interesting).

well, i wish that helped, but it doesnt. any more info?

 

[cbwx34]

Haha... fair enough. My point was, people seem to be taking clamps, rods, and misc. pieces, and "inventing" another guided sharpener.... all pretty much the same function-wise. (This one looks like he had access to a 3D printer).

What sparks your interest in this one?

 

[Mo2]

Haha... fair enough. My point was, people seem to be taking clamps, rods, and misc. pieces, and "inventing" another guided sharpener.... all pretty much the same function-wise. (This one looks like he had access to a 3D printer).

What sparks your interest in this one?

my interest is sparked because of what looks like 3D printing. should be easy to produce and ship. the TSPROF or whatever the other well known russian sharpening kit is heavy metal, expensive to ship and taking a long time to manufacture etc. should be more affordable (but we all know how that goes)

it just appears to be really nice and would like to hear more about it. i may end up just getting a hapstone, but would like to know all my options.

 

[Obsessed with Edges]

The 'Saturn' labelling might be telling. Looking from the web, there's a European brand of machine shop grinding tools called 'Saturn', apparently of Swiss manufacture. Maybe an association with a Swiss company called Sigrist & Muller, from what I'm seeing in search results. Some of their machines are apparently dedicated to different types of sharpening, for industrial tooling, I assume; stuff like saw blades, planer/molding machine knives, drills/augers, etc. If so, I'd sort of assume (purely speculating) the pictured tool might've been made by/for that segment of industry, or perhaps by some talented person with inside access to industrial-grade manufacturing equipment. If so, I'd also assume it's very, very pricey.


David

 

[cbwx34]

my interest is sparked because of what looks like 3D printing. should be easy to produce and ship. the TSPROF or whatever the other well known russian sharpening kit is heavy metal, expensive to ship and taking a long time to manufacture etc. should be more affordable (but we all know how that goes)

it just appears to be really nice and would like to hear more about it. i may end up just getting a hapstone, but would like to know all my options.

Cool. Yeah, it does look 3D printed.

If you're looking for options... W.E. has a new model you might want to look at...

The Wicked Edge GO

 

[Diemaker]

3d printed for sure, there are a few signs. Interesting design though. Any more information? I love to see how the same engineering problems are solved in so many different ways.

 

[Mo2]

found out this is a ...

Система заточки Ermak

just google search it for more info. they make several versions. the one shown above is the Ermak 6+ with all the extra's. i tried searching Ermak sharpening system on google but that didnt work because its russian, so i converted that into russian using google translate and found it.

they have a ermak 8 and 9 that are insanely awesome looking with ambidextrous arms?

heres a youtube video i found of one of the versions.

wondering if there is a USA distributer for these?

 

[cbwx34]

Gotta play the one with the best intro...

Interesting... I'll give you that!

 

[Mo2]

yea, the Epmak 8 doesnt require the use of angle cube. its just really awesome. seems affordable when compared to the wicked edge if im converting currency correctly. however i wouldnt know how much it would cost to import. Hopfully someone in the states see this and offer a few of these like they did the TSPOF or whatever the other Russian sharpening system is called currently available here recently. 3, 5, 6+ and 8 are the most promising of the group. budget to best.

 

[Diemaker]

They are interesting but I have some doubts about the execution of the design intent, I think metal would be much better than plastic for this one. That clear plastic would be a pain to keep clean and looking good.

Mo2 how much are they in dollars? At least the 8 or 9.

 

[Mo2]

They are interesting but I have some doubts about the execution of the design intent, I think metal would be much better than plastic for this one. That clear plastic would be a pain to keep clean and looking good.

Mo2 how much are they in dollars? At least the 8 or 9.

what doubts would you have? they appear to work very well not being metal, and i dont see a problem with it at all.

they have different colors. you can pick clear or white with color accents. its easy to clean by wiping it down with cloth... but besides that you can cover it when done so it doesnt get dusty.

im not deal spotting, sorry cant give you a price. copy the price and goto google and say convert XXX rubles into USD.

for me its not really a reality until a vendor here picks it up.

 

[cbwx34]

what doubts would you have? they appear to work very well not being metal, and i dont see a problem with it at all.

I did notice in the top video you posted... the back half "tower" looking piece seemed to have a bit of play in it. (Don't know if it would affect the outcome or not though)...

 

[Mo2]

I did notice in the top video you posted... the back half "tower" looking piece seemed to have a bit of play in it. (Don't know if it would affect the outcome or not though)...

if you look closely the table is moving, not the tower.

 

[cbwx34]

if you look closely the table is moving, not the tower.

No... 'cause only the back half is moving. (It actually just looks like the leg closest to the camera may be loose... looking a bit closer).

 

[Mo2]

No... 'cause only the back half is moving. (It actually just looks like the leg closest to the camera may be loose... looking a bit closer).

dunno man, i looked at it several times, looked at it really close and i didnt see the tower move from the base. the leg's were indeed moving from the shaking table underneath it. i dont think that affects anything. if you still differ in opinion at what time in the video did you see it happen specifically? in any case, if you put it on a sturdy surface and not a shaking table im sure it would be better.

im not trying to defend what you see, im just not seeing what you are seeing in the way you are seeing it.

 

[cbwx34]

I see it pretty much the whole time he's sharpening. It's not important though.... like you said, probably doesn't affect the outcome.

 

[Diemaker]

My concerns are stiffness and accuracy, something no plastic can compare favorably to even aluminum on. On an assembly that large and complex the difference will be much larger than a small, simple sharpener. If you are machining your parts from solid the difference in cost between aluminum and plastic is negligible. I just think making this sharpener out of aluminum would make it a lot nicer to use.

Keeping that clear plastic clean, smudge, and scratch free will be more work than just wiping it down occasionally.

I am not shopping, I was just currious what the price was, nevermind.

The 8 & 9 are truley unique, inovative, works of functional art. As a knife sharpener I just think there are things that could be improved upon. I don't mean to offend. In fact I regard this design so highly I think I will be modeling that arm up in cad to play with it.

 

[Mo2]

iirc they were produced in much higher quality, carbon fiber and steel. but to reduce costs ended up doing this plastic or whatever it is. again i havent any real clue but thats what i read on one of the pages when i converted the russian using google translate.

from the results they show it seems to work great, but i only know the guy on instagram that uses the one as i mentioned in the first post... and the youtube videos i just recently found.

8 and 9 are def the most interesting. sure i think things can be improved upon too, but how costly would it get?

i think it needs a professional sharpener that speaks english that can give us the low down on the system who's actually used it and can alleviate mine, yours and others opinions on it from afar. much like someone did with the TSProf system thats now currently being offered from russian now in the states. if no one tested that one it would still be vapor ware like this one is until someone tries it and lets us know more.