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Anyone Know Where I Can Obtain Sargents 1&2 Knife Book?
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waynorth
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Can you copy me the URL of the AAPK discussion, Larry?
I have Sargent's 2, printed in 1989, and have scanned the relevant pages here. I can't find any other mention in the Schrade section.
I often find out of print books I'm looking for at Knife World's site, but they don't currently have Sargent's 1 or 2. They get stuff in often so it is worth checking back.
Hope this helps you a little.
I have Sargent's 2, printed in 1989, and have scanned the relevant pages here. I can't find any other mention in the Schrade section.
I often find out of print books I'm looking for at Knife World's site, but they don't currently have Sargent's 1 or 2. They get stuff in often so it is worth checking back.
Hope this helps you a little.
Many Thanks for all your help.
Waynorth, The discussion on AAPK comes up with a 2OT and 3OT search.There is only one thread and 'LT' makes the comments about Sargents 1 & 2. I have printed the above,thanks.
Is any mention of the 3OT made in either edition?
Re above,its interesting that my 2OT has clip main blade and my 3OT has the sheepfoot main blade,and both have the smooth brown bone scales.
I have never seen any "official?" info yet on the 3OT anywhere and never see one come up on Ebay in any condition, has anyone else? Indeed has anyone else got one? My 3OT has never appeared on Ebay either as I purchased privately so I dont have a lot to go on, apart from that AAPK thread where the knives I now have are discussed.
Hoo Roo.
Waynorth, The discussion on AAPK comes up with a 2OT and 3OT search.There is only one thread and 'LT' makes the comments about Sargents 1 & 2. I have printed the above,thanks.
Is any mention of the 3OT made in either edition?
Re above,its interesting that my 2OT has clip main blade and my 3OT has the sheepfoot main blade,and both have the smooth brown bone scales.
I have never seen any "official?" info yet on the 3OT anywhere and never see one come up on Ebay in any condition, has anyone else? Indeed has anyone else got one? My 3OT has never appeared on Ebay either as I purchased privately so I dont have a lot to go on, apart from that AAPK thread where the knives I now have are discussed.
Hoo Roo.
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Larry, your knives might be the exact same ones pictured in Sargent's book. Is the sheepfoot stamped 3OT??
The book pictures I believe are from Herman Williams' collection, which may have been sold or given back to Schrade. It would be interesting to ask him! (Eric, are you out there???)
The book pictures I believe are from Herman Williams' collection, which may have been sold or given back to Schrade. It would be interesting to ask him! (Eric, are you out there???)
Yes Waynorth the sheepfoot is stamped 3OT and Herman Williams is quoted as saying he owned both the knives that I now own.They came off the Conferance Room Wall in a little case. LT states on AAPK that he recognized them as Herman Williams' knives, as soon as he saw them.< a photo of them was put on AAPK Forum.> I believe that Herman Williams was the Chief Customiser for Schrade,do you know if this is correct? Isn't that a picture of a 2OT with sheepfoot you reproduced above? I'm yet to see a picture of a 3OT, thats why I was asking if Sargents mentioned the 3OT. Have you ever seen a 3OT apart from mine? There could be many out there even though they never made it to production but none seem to surface..Herman Williams is quoted as saying no more than a dozen were made. Is this 3OT the last of the Mohicans or perhaps the first?..We need figures and substantiated facts, not my suppositions........I will be the first to place an order for "Little's Big Book on Schrade".......Hoo Roo.
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Here's a photo of the board with a portion of the Herman Williams collection that hung at Schrade. I believe they were all auctioned off at the close along with the thousands of other knives that hung on the walls. I often wonder if folks who were kind enough to donate their knives for the displays ( such as Mr Williams and LT) were ever offered them back at the auction. My guess is no.
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Here's a shot of his incredible work (this is the backspring on a 5OT)
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Eric
Here's a shot of his incredible work (this is the backspring on a 5OT)
Eric
Thanks Eric,You dont have a larger full photo of the Williams Collection you could send to lrv for his site do you? I went cross-eyed trying to see the knives in your photo with a magnifying glass...and mine werent waving back!
One day all will be revealed........LT might even re-appear?? ...with photos of the other 11, 3OT's!! Hoo Roo
One day all will be revealed........LT might even re-appear?? ...with photos of the other 11, 3OT's!! Hoo Roo
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Keep an eye open for the Craftsman SFO version of the 2OT as well. While the Schrade Walden 2OT is scarce (Total production 1959-1964 16,921), the Sears #9530 Craftsman version is a bit more scarce, only 780 pieces produced and shipped in 1959. I've only seen three in the past four years. I bought this one today.
Michael
Michael
I get aroused just looking at it mate! Simply beautiful. Did Sears make a 3OT as well? With 2OT's production of 16,921 they would have to be the tightest held collectables of all as many commemoratives for example had far less production numbers but you see examples frequently. .........so the $64 question how many 3OT's officially made and where are they?
If Schrade had continued making that style 2OT with the Washington Bolsters as users they would have sold zillions as it bridged the old style with the new...IMHO. Well done it wasnt on Ebay was it? Hoo Roo
If Schrade had continued making that style 2OT with the Washington Bolsters as users they would have sold zillions as it bridged the old style with the new...IMHO. Well done it wasnt on Ebay was it? Hoo Roo
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Fleabay? Yas.
How many 3OT were officially made? As in production? I don't yet know for certain, but in my opinion, none to very few were made in production.
Remember too, knife collecting really is a relatively new hobby. Think natural attrition on the 2OT. 1959-2007. 48 years! A lot of knives lost, broken, burned, used up, lost in the field. Knives in 1959-64 weren't art, they were tools.
I would be surprised if even 10% have survived to today. That would be 1,692 of the 2OT, 78 of the Sears Craftsman #9530 Old Timer. I'm having this one drop shipped to lrv for good photos to put on Schrades-r-us and here. We all need to see the details close up.
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Poke me eyes out with a twig! 1959 production reports list 575 3OT ordered. All on backlog. None shipped to Sears either. The 3OT was listed in 1960 as well...still none shipped, none in stock. None shipped to Sears then either. The 2OT shipment of 1959 to Sears was a one time deal as well. And none are shown made for Belknap, a bigger buyer than Sears during those years.
Still, I am supposing that the proto, maybe a few of them, are all that were made.
Michael
Still, I am supposing that the proto, maybe a few of them, are all that were made.
Michael
.."they weren't art they were tools"..thats a coincidence mate I've always considered my tool a work of art......
575 ,3OT's all on backlog,does that mean they weren't ever produced and it may just be the various protos of mixture of blade and handle materials that survived? Did any others survive at all?...I wish someone would produce one or know of someone who has one.I dont think they would have been used and abused....hell my wife's got to stop peeling the vegies with the 3OT right now..it could be an orphan...
That doesnt say 'Old Mimer 'on your bolster Michael instead of Timer, could be a Taylor Repo...is it gentlemanly to ask how much paid although I didnt reveal what I paid for my two did I? Hoo Roo
575 ,3OT's all on backlog,does that mean they weren't ever produced and it may just be the various protos of mixture of blade and handle materials that survived? Did any others survive at all?...I wish someone would produce one or know of someone who has one.I dont think they would have been used and abused....hell my wife's got to stop peeling the vegies with the 3OT right now..it could be an orphan...
That doesnt say 'Old Mimer 'on your bolster Michael instead of Timer, could be a Taylor Repo...is it gentlemanly to ask how much paid although I didnt reveal what I paid for my two did I? Hoo Roo
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I had to pass on several nice knives I wanted to get it. However, understand that I don't usually play with the larger denomination bills. This one went for about a C-note, my upper limit.
An interesting side note to the 2OT / 3OT knives: Camillus, in 1932 (100th anniversary of his birth), produced a small version of the museum knife which is said to have been given to George Washington by his Mother as a reward for not joining the King's Army as a youth, reminding him that duty and obligation overrides personal ambitions.
Later in his life, during the war for independence, Old George was just about ready to toss in the towel because he wasn't getting financial support from the politicians to feed and clothe his army. He had announced his intention to resign, but upon taking out that knife and remembering his Mother's reward for maintaining his duty, he kept up the fight, eventually overcoming the King's army and leading us to establish the 4th of July tradition and all those New York Cutleries. You might say this knife "bolstered" his sense of duty, obligation, and self sacrifice.
I believe Camillus issued a second edition at a later time, 1999, the 200th anniversary of his death. Anyway, the point is that it was this original George Washington attributed knife which gives us the name of those uniquely styled bolsters. Albert Baer was at Camillus in 1932, then A. Kastor & Brothers when this knife was created. And later owned Schrade Walden when the 2OT/3OT were created. And his family owned Camillus in 1999 when the reissue of that knife was made. Spooky, eh?
Michael
I had to pass on several nice knives I wanted to get it. However, understand that I don't usually play with the larger denomination bills. This one went for about a C-note, my upper limit.
An interesting side note to the 2OT / 3OT knives: Camillus, in 1932 (100th anniversary of his birth), produced a small version of the museum knife which is said to have been given to George Washington by his Mother as a reward for not joining the King's Army as a youth, reminding him that duty and obligation overrides personal ambitions.
Later in his life, during the war for independence, Old George was just about ready to toss in the towel because he wasn't getting financial support from the politicians to feed and clothe his army. He had announced his intention to resign, but upon taking out that knife and remembering his Mother's reward for maintaining his duty, he kept up the fight, eventually overcoming the King's army and leading us to establish the 4th of July tradition and all those New York Cutleries. You might say this knife "bolstered" his sense of duty, obligation, and self sacrifice.
I believe Camillus issued a second edition at a later time, 1999, the 200th anniversary of his death. Anyway, the point is that it was this original George Washington attributed knife which gives us the name of those uniquely styled bolsters. Albert Baer was at Camillus in 1932, then A. Kastor & Brothers when this knife was created. And later owned Schrade Walden when the 2OT/3OT were created. And his family owned Camillus in 1999 when the reissue of that knife was made. Spooky, eh?
Michael
........sob...sob... my hero ..my pal...Codger...tell me you just arrived late when you bought that knife with bid only 7 seconds to go...cough...splutter.....you ...you couldn't be a ...ssnniper? How could you...did you want the knife or something? Another fallen hero to me climbing trees with telescopics...7 bloody seconds and you're not even on Broadband....you sat there didnt you with finger trembling on the gatling gun..I mean Mouse.
Seriously that knife had your name on it..starting $5 ..not many days...listed under "Other Brands" Manufactured........imagine if he put Schrade!.....Good on you well shot..I mean done mate.
That George Washington knife above had interesting clip blade ...almost like a nail file.Hoo Roo
Seriously that knife had your name on it..starting $5 ..not many days...listed under "Other Brands" Manufactured........imagine if he put Schrade!.....Good on you well shot..I mean done mate.
That George Washington knife above had interesting clip blade ...almost like a nail file.Hoo Roo
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my sniper computer is located just a few short miles from the eBay computer. My "co-bidder", the one who cost me those extra bucks, was beaten by $1.00. But don't tell him. It coulda been a koala trap. A drop bear of epic proportions. 
Codger
PS- I'm working up a brief research paper on the 2OT in your honor. I am, however, being hampered in my efforts by the mental picture of you in those briefs. (poking my mind's eye out now)
Codger
PS- I'm working up a brief research paper on the 2OT in your honor. I am, however, being hampered in my efforts by the mental picture of you in those briefs. (poking my mind's eye out now)