Anyone really like zytel handles?

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For years I rfused to buy one. I didn't think they would/could hold up to everday wear & tear. Then a guy at work wanted me to sharpen his mini-buck. He used this thing hard. Had the blade loosened up, edge looked like he'd been cutting wire with it, etc. I told him to bring it back to me when it needed sharpened so I could see how it held up. To my surprise, it did. It took all the abuse he put that thing through. Since I bought my first zytel folder (a Gerber LST), it has become one of my favorite handle materials.

Paul
 
They do hold up but most feel cheap to me. Often the open edges of Spyderco's lignt weight line are sharp. I have one I like the feather weight Russel onehander. I guess all in all I like G-10 and micarta better. Does zytel offer any advantage over these other than being cheaper?

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Roger Blake
 
Price is probably the only advantage over G-10 or micarta. I do prefer the balance difference, too. I like a slightly blade heavy feel in my knives. Th cheaper price IS attractive.

Paul
 
Zytel......Not my favorite.

I know that it is lightweight, strong, and performs well, but the bottom line for me is, that it looks and feels cheap.

I own several knives that have Zytel handles and have handled even more. I'm never initially impressed. They have to grow on me with time.

And, why don't more companies use liners (like titanium) with Zytel???
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Even if they were thin, I think that they would add strength to the knife as well as providing a secure mount for the pocket clip screws. This might also help with the ever present complaint about sharp edges.
Sounds like a good idea to me!!!!

I guess that I will always prefer the performance, feel, and traditional look of bone and stag over all.

I calls 'em as I sees 'em!!!
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--The Raptor--

 
Zytel is great stuff, super tough, light, cheap, corrosion resistant, good grip hot or cold. I think Buck was one of the first to use it on folding knives. My CS Voyagers have Zytel handles, I think. No complaints here.
 
Love my Spyderco Delica. I own other knives with G-10 scales, but for balance, ease of draw, and that "it just feels right in my hand" feeling, I always end up carrying the Delica after the "new" wears off of my latest purchase. Either that or I end up comparing the new knife with the Delica and coming up with more reasons why I like this knife.

Flinx
 
I've made this comment before: I had Zytel mag wheels on my BMX bicycle when I was a kid and I tortured those things way more than I could (or should) a folder.

Truth is I find black G-10, and unpolished titanium as ugly as Zytel.

I think Zytel has its limitations as with most things but it is quite adequate for the average pocket knife use. For most people -- myself included -- G-10 and titanium is probably overkill.

However like with any hobby, the more serious you get into it, the more you want the "best". E.G. if you are a serious guitarist you want a "Gibson", if you're into stereos you want a "Audio Research", computers you want the latest Pentium or G4, if you're into watches you graduate from a Tag-Heure to Omega or Rolex...You may never need all it's capable of, but you can say you have the best.
 
G-10 is far too heavy. I like the fact that Zytel is cheaper, but it comes down to weight for me. I don't like having thick, heavy handles that feel like they're pulling my pants down. With a 3" blade or less, G-10 handles feel ridiculously thick and awkward; the BM 705 Axis is an excellent example. I would take a Delica (still a champion among champions) over a 705 any day. Wouldn't even have to think twice. I've also never felt unsure of Zytel's safety. It feels perfectly strong for me, and I HATE having anything feel flimsy or delicate.

Howie
 
I have an old-style Bucklite with the green zytel handle. I shaved off all of the finger-grooves except the first groove for the index-finger, and now it is the most comfortable grip of all my knives. It's also lite and extremely tough!
I also bought my friend a CRKT Mirage and I really like the way it feels and looks.
There's nothing wrong with zytel for me.
 
Howie,

I'm surprised you find G-10 thick and heavy. Many people complain that G-10 is utilized too thin, and without contours; "slabs" is an often used term.

I have the BM710, and the only reason I would think the handle is heavy is due to its 410 stainless steel liners; not the G-10.

Spyderco's Military is reknown for its lightweight and thin profile due to its minimal use of steel liners.

Does anyone else feel that there is a utilitarian simplicity that is lost when you go from the humble Zytel handled, Aus/440 bladed knife to a higher end knife?

The inexpensive Zytel lockback/linerlock has that same sort of basic charm that reminds me of those simple CASE pocketknives our fathers' or grandfathers' bought from the corner drugstore.

[This message has been edited by Full Tang Clan (edited 10-23-2000).]
 
I recently had to make a buying decision regarding a Zytel Spydie (Goddard lightweight).

What I came up with was that the Spydie at $45 was the same size class and basic combat abilities as a CRKT KFF priced at $40. The KFF had a slight edge in ergos but not that much; the Spydie ATS55 blade steel was a world ahead of CRKT's AUS6 and I prefer a "single stage" lock versus the safety-lever LAWKS system on the CRKT.

Upshot: despite the Zytel, Spydie's "total package" won out, bigtime. I wouldn't go "searching out" a Zytel piece over other materials necessarily, but if a knife is well designed and has a good blade steel, Zytel won't kill the deal for me.

Spyderco's release of the Goddard in a low-cost Zytel version was an excellent move.

Jim
 
Zytel definitely has its place. My new CRKT Mirage Wharncliffe (cost $17) has zytel handles and steel liners. Has good heft and feel. If price is an object, Zytel is the way to go.

Other great zytel knives: Spyderco Calypso, Jr., Spyderco Native; well done zytel handles on both of these. The steel on these knives is top notch - the zytel makes them affordable and lightweight.

I'm happy with my zytel knives. I'm also happy with carbon fiber, G10, micarta, annodized aluminum, etc.
 
Zytel as a production material was Pete Gerber's idea with the L.S.T. second edition - the first edition was micarta maroon or off white. The zytle has held up really well for me - L.S.T. and Bolt Actions both - I've used them hard and carried them all over the place. Agreed- the OLD version of the Delica is a fine piece of work and it's all zytel .. I had both the rookie and standard for a while - my son has them now - they just felt clumsy in both pocket and hand. I have found no problems with zytel in any of the knives I've had using it.

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Jonesy
 
All of my Cold Steel folders have Zytel handles, and I like 'em. Zytel is lightweight and strong, without being over-priced like some handle materials have become. Checkered Zytel also offers a great non-slip grip, at least compared to stainless steel.

While it's true that the inside edges are usually sharp, that can easily be fixed by scraping the sharpness off with a sharp blade, or a file, then finishing with some 600-1000 grit sandpaper. I've done that with most of my Cold Steel folders, resulting is a nice, smooth grip.

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The Spydie "cricket" is just perfect with its Zytel "housing". Don't know how you could improve that. No sharp corners.
G-10 too heavy, Alu too slippery, Ti looks ugly and still too heavy.
Happy sharpening
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D.T. UTZINGER
 
I have several knives featuring Zytel handles. I am very satisfied with them. As for the looks; Micarta is the one nicer looking but I still would choose Zytel anytime. Mostly for practical reasons.

In cold, hot and wet conditions Micarta shrinks and expands, G-10, CF, Ti and Zytel don´t. Secondly, I don´t see that much difference in the general appearence between Zytel and G-10. I think we are splitting hairs here.

However G-10 is what I´ve understood a tougher material. So if you know that the knife will be used in extremely hard environements then it would probably be correct going for the G-10.

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If a handle could be made from one piece of G-10 insted of just scales, we could test the difference between G-10 and zytel.
Micarta looks pretier, but is also much heavier. So it Ti and Alu.
G-10 is good stuff, but in scale form it feels kinda brittle. Zytel will bend much further the G-10 before it breaks.
I own a spyderco Endura '98 with a zytel handle....Absoluteley no complaints, not even sharp edges. The Native in CPM-440V had sharp edges, but the zytel still stands.
It's just the look that's different between Zytel and G-10, and that results in G-10 being 10 x more expensive to manufacters.

greetz, Bart.
 
The real difference in price between a knife using Zytel vs. one using G-10 or Micarta, is not the material price between the materials as much as the manufacturing costs for the company. G-10 and Micarta need to be manufactured, purchased, machined and finished (often by hand). Zytel on the other hand is either purchased from a subcontractor as a preformed (molded) part or molded in-house. There is no finishing required as evidenced by the visible seams and sharp edges often mentioned. You want G-10 a certain shape, you need to machine it. You want grooved G-10 or Micarta, you need to machine it. You want holes in Micarta, you need to drill it. You want these features with Zytel, design it in the mold and forget about it. It is not so much the properties of the Zytel itself that I dislike, as much as the method of the manufacturing processes used and the knife designs it is used in. CRKT does Zytel handled knives very well. Their Mirage for example, is a traditional liner-lock with Zytel scales and it seems to exude a sense of sophistication that far exceeds it's bargain price. All depends in the design and application.

To buy similar scales of G-10, Micarta or Zytel from a knife supply house is splitting pennys.
 
I didn't care for zytel at first either. Then I got my native.

It hasn't left my pocket since.

A wonderful folder.
 
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