Anyone (UK mainly) have any opinions on this article

I understand a person carrying a meat cleaver for no apparent reason being prosecuted but this MP is sounds like he is looking for more of a blanket prosecution.
Which is a disgrace
 
You know, I wonder if the politicians believe these type of laws will make a difference or if they are purely pandering to the heartstrings of the people they are supposed to represent.

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Pattas29 said:
I understand a person carrying a meat cleaver for no apparent reason being prosecuted
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I don't. I comprehend what the law is trying to do, but I don't understand how it should be a crime to carry one without going to work at the butcher shop.
 
I believe politicians are pandering to what some of the public wants. I know knives are not popular with alot of people but the laws they are trying to put in place are ridiculous. A knife at the end of the day is a tool it is only (Normally) a weapon in the hands of a criminal intending to use it that way. Or in some unfortunate cases in when one is used in self defence.
 
Woodrow F Call said:
You know, I wonder if the politicians believe these type of laws will make a difference or if they are purely pandering to the heartstrings of the people they are supposed to represent.

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It's worse than that, this law does nothing that the Offensive Weapons Act 1959 wouldn't do, plus you have Manslaughter to add on top of that. Politicians don't seem to understand that it's not a lack of legislation that "allows" these things to happen, it's a lack of police resources and an unwillingness to enforce existing laws. DC can sleep at night because he really believes he's done something about the problem. The reality is that now there's a number of different laws to cover the same crime, the policeman making the arrest and charging the offender will probably pick the wrong charge, increasing the chances that the prosecution will fail. This is especially true with using most new legislation which, frankly, could have been better written by an "infinite number of monkeys". Parliamentary process and hobbling of the upper House, pretty much ensures that most new legislation doesn't do what it was intended to. This state of affairs has been going on for so long now that police aren't interested in making the charge fit the crime anymore and so manufacture/alter the evidence to fit the charge. This leads to more and more of the public believing that the police are "bent" (corrupt) when they find themselves appearing in court, hearing the lies the police are prepared to swear to in court, under oath.
 
Woodrow F Call said:
You know, I wonder if the politicians believe these type of laws will make a difference or if they are purely pandering to the heartstrings of the people they are supposed to represent.

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Politicians are the same all over the world.

They take one high profile case involving guns, pitbulls, knives, etc. and milk it for all its worth. They want to appear resolute and "tough", cause they know that the sheeple will swallow it all hook, line and sinker, thus probably securing them another term in office. Thats what its all about, the votes. They dont give a rats ass about whats truly best for the society we all live in.

I throw up in my mouth, every time i have to hear or read a politician utter something.
 
"Will the Prime Minister agree with me that it is time to introduce a legal assumption that people carrying a knife intend to use it "

Mr Morris's question shows what we are up against in this country - knives are assumed to be weapons at all times,ridiculous.

As has been said, this is just politicans being politicians.Minimum sentences are unworkable under current laws as this would leave chefs,plumbers,fisherman etc liable for prison sentences.
 
Minimum sentences does not work. Any one who deals with criminals on a daily basis will tell you that.

A career criminal, juvenile delinquent, enraged spouse, etc. does not care about minimum sentences. He/she will still carry and use a weapon during the act. And if he/she cant stab you with a knife, they'll use a screwdriver, pen, bottle or whatever else is available at that specific moment.

Politicians know that, but it would be political suicide to go out publicly and tell it like it is. Crime prevention programs, correctional facilities, police, psychiatric systems, urban housing projects, etc. all need some major attention and funds to stem the recent development in crime.

Bu that costs money and no politician is going out there asking for money, when its much cheaper to pass a bill, making you appear as a man of action.
 
Woodrow F Call said:
More police resources won't keep evil people from doing evil.
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True, but they may prevent the evil people repeating the performance. With the exception of politicians. All the police resources in the world can't stop those miscreants from heaping their evil upon our heads.
 
parbajtor said:
True, but they may prevent the evil people repeating the performance. With the exception of politicians. All the police resources in the world can't stop those miscreants from heaping their evil upon our heads.
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I agree. I wasn't advocating less LEOs, just that it won't keep evil from doing evil.

Maybe the government should just to lock us all up.... You know, for our own safety..... Oh, wait that's kinda what they are doing with laws like this.
 
Sounds to me like a politician cynically taking advantage of a tragedy to win a few ignorant votes through rabble-rousing. It's also a flagrant attack on people who are abiding by current UK legislation on knives, no matter how stupid it is. No wonder we have virtually no knife industry left with idiots like this in power (and I agree that, unfortunately, it's a universal problem) :(
 
Easy fix. Just have everyone in the UK carry firearms and make it publicly known. Less of a chance that a criminal (not to include the mentally ill) will want to risk
being shot to death. Sound silly? So does the idea of penalizing good people for carrying knives when a criminal or mentally ill person will violate the law anyways.
As said above...politicians will say/do what's best for them, not the public. :(
 
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