Apex longevity

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Facts:
1. thin apex radius (keenness) = ease of fracturing/splitting material.
2. high % damages to apex due to lateral force (initial and eventual).

*ignoring edge upward/away flex variable

Micro bevel of 22.5+º dps (45+º inclusive) strengthen apex 2x or more against lateral forces. e.g. if cut entry is at 23º (barely planed into material), lateral force is normal/perpendicular to entry force, hence there is tiny bit more than 2x steel above. Basically, ensuring more steel above the lateral/repelling of contact. In perspective of lateral, this micro bevel serves act as a scraping tool with 90º edge start out thin but thicken very rapidly.

=== Example of an apex with radius/thickness around 0.5um ===
Apex1 - 15º V
A2 - 20º V
A3 - 15º V with 25º 50um wide micro

If tasks are cutting 100 times at hard material such as very hardwood; bone; etc.. Performance wise(energy efficiency and clean cuts) - A3 will be best since its working edge will stays much thinner than A1 & A2.

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Geometry is more important than finished grit - as long as grit can shape smallest geometry in setup.

IME - I found rolled edges have drastic reduction in slicing performance (well, no fun to cut with more/less a small round wire - has at least 2.5x initial apex radius - for an edge).

As for wedging from a micro bevel - the magnitude can be adjust by micro bevel width, while sufficient to support apex per intended tasks. I think, high keenness apex yields much greater performance gain than downside of wedging. Blend/convexing micro bevel also helpful in reduce cutting motion chatter/sputter.
 
Make it convex and forget all that math :) I carefully follow all of what you're doing and I think that with hardness you achieve in steel , convex grind is probably best ...........................

I did not know as a registered member I have the right to buy in this forum. I would bye knive for sure from you if you make convex one :thumbup:
 
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Natlek,

Buying is ok for non paying members.
You will definitely enjoy BCMW. Convexing is easily done. Just round off the shoulder, especially if you free hand, it's going to be convex anyway. Trying as flat as possible is the challenge.
 
Chris "Anagarika";17078541 said:
Natlek,

Buying is ok for non paying members.
You will definitely enjoy BCMW. Convexing is easily done. Just round off the shoulder, especially if you free hand, it's going to be convex anyway. Trying as flat as possible is the challenge.

Now I know :) Honestly I have never read the rules ....I follow basic rule for many forums ........don t promote own business , don t offer for sell ...............:thumbup: Yes , convexing is easily done but Bluntcut already do extremely thin edge and convexing will make them even more thin ......
 
Yes , but it is much stronger , cut better , last longer , more resistant to chipping ................. :)

Actually no...when edge angle is held constant, a convex is essentially a flat grind with the shoulder removed. It does cut better but the impact in the other factors you listed will be mostly insignificant. If anything it's weaker than a flat grind.
 
Thanks all!

If we split convex edge into 2 parts: upper (includes bevel should) and terminus (or substitute with your fav term ;)).

Convexed upper - especially blended shoulder, aka no shoulder transition - it provides a more continuous flow through the material and key to avoid high-pinch/grab at the bevel shoulder.

Terminus convexed apex - practical/realistic angle defined by the angle of which apex engages into material. e.g. catch nail, lift ink off newsprint, etc.. If this terminus created by stropping, its angle will broaden very fast - easily into 30-40 dps, until reset with a micro V. Strop when I need a quick sticky apex - a slightly rounded apex doesn't degrade cutting ability much; however it's no fun when terminus angle exceed 35dps.

Micro V is easy create repeatable & predictable cutting experience. Of course, each micro v touch up will broaden the micro V shoulder - hence a coupe strop strokes at micro v angle minus 10 would blend that shoulder and upper part as well.
 
Luong,

Totally agree with your statement. I was hoping to avoid Martin vs Chiral argument about angles which determines whether convex is stronger or weaker than V, which totally depends on how one arrived at it as per your description.
 
I'll "second" that. "Thank you", Luong. With that discussion, it is imperative to compare apples to apples. Nicely stated.
 
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