APNEA -- I got it

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Two days ago I was diagnosed with Sleep Apnea. Been feeling groggy all day, falling alseep at inappropriate times, various other stuff. Thought it was just age. Will be 62 this year.

However my snorring really got to my wife and her Ineternet search turned up Apnea, so off to Kaiser Permanente to talk with the medicos. They referred me to a Sleep Lab.

Sat through a short program that scared me and I like to think that I don't scare easily, but folks, this got my attention. I hope that any of you who may have similar symptoms get this checked out. It can be very dangerous. Not just falling asleep at the wrong time, but can cause heart attacks and/or strokes according to my doctors.

At 6'1" I like to stay at about 185-190. My wife thinks that Pizza is the perfect food. I love it also but that is just the tip of the carbohydrate/fat pyramid.

Then I began accusing her of washing my jeans in the wrong soap. Getting tight! Then she did something to the scales because I could not weigh 235!

Then the snorring. Not even like waves gently breaking, but silence and then volcanic eruptions. she said. I never heard them, but too often I would find her sleeping on the couch.

So the Sleep Lab. They found the following:

My blood pressure had gone from 70/128 to 90/170 -- not good

While sleeping I was NOT breathing for an average duration of 30-45 seconds and this was happening an average of 18 TIMES PER HOUR over night! Yeah, NOT BREATHING.

Obstructive Sleep Apnea. Moderate case.

I also had been having chest pains. Off to Kaiser and hook up to an EKG. No problems mate! But the sleep doc said that most heart attacks occur at night. I often wondered about that, why a heart attack while sleeping? Now I know.

Docs said that if I had been hooked up to an EKG at night, while trying to sleep, it probably would have shown different and bad results.

The acid reflux that I "cured" by taking Prilosec. Nah, it is a common symptom of Apnea. They assured me the problem was still there and the Prilosec was just masking it.

Short term memory loss, concentration problems, yeah we all have them, but another symptom. Even frequent night time urination and sweats.

Sleepiness while driving. falling asleep in church, movies, TV, etc.

There is a whole 'nother area of problems caused by my inability to reach REM levels and Alpha sleep because of the constant interruptions in breathing.

So I have an obstruction. They gave me a mask and an air pump that will push the needed air past the obstruction. I was able to sleep well last night for the first time in about six months. So did Anne. Says I was "Blissfully quiet."

There is no good cure. Surgery not that successful. Nor pills. Just the pump. The nurse told me another helpful possibility. This problem started about the same time as my weight gain. She said if I dropped the 35 to 40 extra pounds, got back to the weight I was when I started haveing problems, there was a good chance that the Apnea would go away.

I do not mean to alarm anyone here, or maybe I do on second thought. If you have one or two of these symptoms, probably no big deal. If you have all of them I suggest that you get yourself to a doctor and mention sleep apnea.

It can kill you. Scared the cpap out of me!

One other thing in closing, most people who have this problem never know they have it unless their bed partner complains about their snorring........
 
Welcome to the club, Bill!

Sleeping with a CPAP device is hard to get used to- I read 40% give up- don't YOU give up. When you stop breathing while sleeping you incur heart & brain damage.

Uhh, yeah. I have sleep apnea too. Before I was diagnosed, I was so tired I used to lock my office door at lunchtime and sleep for an hour, rather than eat. I have fallen asleep while driving more than once...

Luckily my wife is a nurse. She noticed I would stop breathing while sleeping, and I went in for the sleep study. Blood oxygen low, the whole nine yards.

A good mask is the key to making it work. A tech switched me to another kind once, and I couldn't stand it. Also, in the "why me?" category, it isn't necessarily about being heavy. Basketball players get sleep apnea. It's about the geometry of your neck/throat arrangement. I'm 6'1", 205.

A bunch of us in the forum have sleep apnea, so others will kick in soon. In the meantime, don't give up on the CPAP. I know people who have. I'm so conditioned now, I put that thing on and I'm asleep in moments.

The mask isn't glamourous, but your wife will understand- she wants you to live. In my case some damage was already done.

I put mine on- fall asleep- and soon I am airborne. <It's 1944- the skies over occupied Europe. The cockpit of my B-17, the "Swingin' Khukuri Gal". The drone of the four Wright-Cyclone engines is suddenly cut by my door gunner's shout over the headphones. "Skip! ME-109's at five o'clock!">


Ad Astra

see, you look like a pilot when you wear the CPAP mask... nevermind.
 
The thing about the mask is someone could come into your home and shotgun the cat and you wouldn't know.

-from my unique, paranoid perspective, anyway.


munk
 
Ad's right, though; don't give up on the mask. It worked fine for me for awhile; until we discovered my nose was messed up and the forced air inflamed the sinuses.

Then I couldn't use it anyway.
I had the septumplasti (whatever) and that worked great until my nose was rebroke.

Now I don't sleep good anymore. I went to bed at 1:00 and was up at 5:30

I'm going to figure out what I can do about meds and my diet. When that's eliminated as a variable, and if there's no change, I'm going back to the Specialist. Maybe she can cut something else out.


munk
 
munk said:
Ad's right, though; don't give up on the mask. It worked fine for me for awhile; until we discovered my nose was messed up and the forced air inflamed the sinuses.

Then I couldn't use it anyway.
I had the septumplasti (whatever) and that worked great until my nose was rebroke.

Now I don't sleep good anymore. I went to bed at 1:00 and was up at 5:30

I'm going to figure out what I can do about meds and my diet. When that's eliminated as a variable, and if there's no change, I'm going back to the Specialist. Maybe she can cut something else out.


munk

This seems all eerily familiar, my old ladys been on me for a couple of years about it, I guess I'll see a doc.

I've had/have all the symptons, I sleep an avaerage of 4hours a night, snore so bad my throat hurts when I wake up, I have a thick film in my mouth.

I fall asleep at the drop of a hat during the day, stop breathing at night, my wife says she constantly hits me to get me goin' again,(that might explain the bruising ;) )
 
munk said:
The thing about the mask is someone could come into your home and shotgun the cat and you wouldn't know.

munk

Unfortunately true. That's why I rely on lethal boobytraps.

Just, ha, kidding.


Ad Astra
 
I have had it for many years

Along with all that you listed there are several other problems you get from it. And over time you get them all.

There is very little publicity yet more people have it than any other medical problem. In fact so many medical problems are not what people think they are because they are really caused by the apnea.

People should be tested and every man over 50 should be tested for that and one other major killer... have a scan of your aorta...its a ultra sound of the stomach area takes two min can save your life
 
I broke my ankle last year, and after sitting so long in front of the computer (looking for UBBBs) I found that I had turned into a MacPotato.

My weight had gone up to 180, and my snoring produced constant complaints from my wife. I was waking myself up. When I wasn't waking myself up, the elbows in the side would do it.
I haven't heard any complaints about snoring, since diet and excercise helped me drop 25 pounds.
I am perhaps 5'8" or so. ...haven't checked since I was younger - I was 1/2 -1 "inch taller then, and weighed less.
 
Azis said:
People should be tested and every man over 50 should be tested for that and one other major killer... have a scan of your aorta...its a ultra sound of the stomach area takes two min can save your life

Hey, I am gonna get that 'aorta scan' also!

Another unfun medical checkup involves a tiny video camera and a long flexible (well semi-flexible), Sigmoidoscope. Don't ask. Butt [sic] I get them done every five years.

Growing old is not for sissies.
 
Wow! I have been struggling with this for a couple of years. I diagnosed myself over a year ago. It was so severe and I had gained weight so it was totally obvious. Wake up with severe headache, tired all the time, heavy snoring, wake up holding my breath, or no breathing at all for over a minute, etc. Although my blood pressure has actually maintained for the past 14 years since I quit smoking which is good. Took me SIX months to get the sleep study scheduled for last January. The insurance company won't pay a dime towards the CPAP machine unless they have the study, so fine. Two sleep study places cancelled on me and wouldn't take my insurance. Was going to have to go to Stanford when I found the new center they just built in Monterey. After waiting from August until 1/28 I managed to get a slot. Luckily the nurse took pity on me and after half the night switched me to the CPAP mask so I would not have to come back TWO months later for the CPAP trial. For four hours I slept like the dead. I got used to it in 10 minutes, and with only four hours sleep had more energy that day than I had had in months.

Then had to wait 6 more weeks for the Cardio-pulmonary Doctor to review the results and get me a machine. That appt. is set for this coming Monday, and I am going to be really pissed if it takes me even longer for some reason to get the system.

Once I have it, I'm sure I'll have more energy and can start taking some of this weight off. I am scary heavy, even for 6' 8", and that needs to be reversed ASAP. I cannot believe the hoops they have made me jump through though.

One thing that I would advise all of you who have this problem to note when talking to the Doctor: The CP Doctor I saw was a young guy a bit full of himself (OK, younger than me anyway, and I'm a whole 49 in a couple of weeks!) He asked a bunch of routine questions which I answered honestly of course, as we are both working to solve the problem. One of them was, "Have you ever been drowsy and nodded off for even a fraction of a second while driving?" I answered Yes. Then the SOB stops the interview, says that according to the privacy agreement they had me sign when I came in, that he is now going to notify the DMV of my condition and that my license "may be revoked!" He says that the normal Dr. / Patient agreement doens't apply, but not to worry because the CA DMV is so inefficient he doesn't think they will have time to revoke my license before the problem is cured!

I really felt violated, and had missed the fine print in the 3 page document they had me sign. I guess I understand his position, but from that point on the interview was over. He asked me a couple of more related questions and I just laughed at him and told him "you really don't expect me to answer honestly do you, when you have just demonstrated that my answers will not be held in confidence?" He got a little perturbed with me then.

When leaving the office I told him that intellectually I could understand his position, but gently suggested to him that if the DMV made one more towards my license that he had better have his malpractice premiums all paid up.

I am so used to trusting Doctors absolutely with confidential details that this was a real eye-opener, so "caveat emptor" for those of you who may be in the same situation some day! (In other words, read the damn privacy agreement, which just like the ones the credit card companies issue say that you have no privacy at all, and lie your butt off to the Doctor!)

Regards,

Norm
 
Let me preface my remarks with the fact that I don't know what I'm talking about.

That said, I would try diet. Two things: limiting carbs dramatically, and limiting frequency of eating. The goal is to restore one's sensitivity to carbs. The body will kick in its own blood sugar regulation rather than relying upon food all the time. And you will be on your way to being far healthier.

What does this have to do with apnea? I'm not sure how it works, but I've noticed that many sufferers are overweight and/or borderline diabetics and/or carb addicts and/or high blood pressure sufferers. It's a syndrome and I believe that apnea is a symptom of one's body rebelling against too much food/too many carbs.
 
Svashtar said:
Then the SOB stops the interview, says that according to the privacy agreement they had me sign when I came in, that he is now going to notify the DMV of my condition and that my license "may be revoked!" He says that the normal Dr. / Patient agreement doens't apply, but not to worry becase the CA DMV is so inefficent he doesn't think they will have time to revoke my license before the problem is cured.

Wowzers!! Thanks for sharing this story, Norm. I wouldn't confide in a doctor this way anyway, unless I knew him/her really well, as I don't believe in promises of privacy much except somewhat with lawyers.

So how about a lawyer/physician? In Lying on the Couch, by Irvin D. Yalom, a lawyer somehow starts taking on the role of a shrink...this would be an ideal relationship IMHO as the lawyer-client privilege still pretty much exists :D
 
cognitivefun said:
Let me preface my remarks with the fact that I don't know what I'm talking about.

That said, I would try diet. Two things: limiting carbs dramatically, and limiting frequency of eating. The goal is to restore one's sensitivity to carbs. The body will kick in its own blood sugar regulation rather than relying upon food all the time. And you will be on your way to being far healthier.

What does this have to do with apnea? I'm not sure how it works, but I've noticed that many sufferers are overweight and/or borderline diabetics and/or carb addicts and/or high blood pressure sufferers. It's a syndrome and I believe that apnea is a symptom of one's body rebelling against too much food/too many carbs.

Well, I suppose in a sense. Losing weight can help in some people, but not all. Apnea is the body responding to the airway being too small and closing when the body is completely relaxed, shutting off airflow. The brain senses the lack of oxygen and goes into emergency mode and wakes you up. 10 or 20 of these an hour and it is like you never slept at all.

Norm
 
Svashtar said:
Well, I suppose in a sense. Losing weight can help in some people, but not all. Apnea is the body responding to the airway being too small and closing when the body is completely relaxed, shutting off airflow. The brain senses the lack of oxygen and goes into emergency mode and wakes you up. 10 or 20 of these an hour and it is like you never slept at all.

Norm

I don't know if this is totally understood. I am not talking about losing weight per se. I'm talking about restoring a metabolic balance to one's body's hormonal system. We may throw it out of whack when we eat too much, too often, with too many unnaturally concentrated carbs. Some of us genetically can do okay this way but many of us cannot.
 
One article here mentions that there is a link between insulin resistance and symptoms including apnea:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FKA/is_4_66/ai_114242645

See http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0471398586/104-5365858-1424719?v=glance

This book looks good and some of the reviews from people also discuss their experiences with "Syndome X" and apnea

There seems to be some studies on a link between the two. I would change my diet and see what happens (but as you know, that's me, I try to avoid doctors and don't get regular physicals or scans or any testing unless I am unwell.)
 
This is an interesting problem. I have a bro-in-law with it and he does fine now that he has the CPAP. And a friend couldn't believe how much better he felt when they finally got him set with one. I have a lot of the symptoms of Apnea, but the sleep study said I didn't have it. I just rolled over 23 times in 5 hours of sleep. Guess that's why I'm so tired when I wake up. Eric and the kids said i snore so loud I was worse than the trains coming into town.....and North Platte had 150 or so of those a day. So go figure. I'd love to actually have a good nights sleep. Some day....... ;)
 
I was diagnosed with apnea a few years ago and use the c-pap every
night.It helps,but you must get a good fit with the mask.
Bill-if you see me at Blade,i will be glad to explain everything.

Anyone in the Long Island area-North Shore-L.I.J. hospitals have
doctors who specialize in this.The sleep center they have is very good.

Norm
 
Interesting thread. Of late I have been wondering if I have a problem with it myself. Besides most of the other symptoms I have found myself waking up in the early morning hours out of breath. I have a brother-in-law that was diagnosed with it and he dropped in the area of 50+ pounds (quit drinking beer :rolleyes: ) and has had no problems since. Sure seems like there is a direct link to the whole weight issue and apnea.
 
Rule .308 said:
Interesting thread. Of late I have been wondering if I have a problem with it myself. Besides most of the other symptoms I have found myself waking up in the early morning hours out of breath. I have a brother-in-law that was diagnosed with it and he dropped in the area of 50+ pounds (quit drinking beer :rolleyes: ) and has had no problems since. Sure seems like there is a direct link to the whole weight issue and apnea.

About a month ago, in the train, someone was snoring and obviously had apnea. you could hear him stop breathing, then start again panting out of breath, then go through the same cycle. He was an overweight black man. Black people have even more problems with insulin resistance quite often...your ability to handle high carbs/frequent eating is very dependent upon genetics.

Almost everyone I know who has apnea has insulin resistance. That is what "Syndrome X" is. Not necessarily (though usually) overweight, BTW.

It's relatively easy to clean up your diet for awhile and see if this helps. By clean up, I mean go low carb and/or begin to phase into a once-per-day eating plan. What I'm saying is that you probably don't have to actually lose the weight to get over the apnea symptoms...once you clean up your diet, you may find the apnea goes away even if you are still overweight. It's the process where your body becomes less insulin resistant that may result in fewer symptoms regardless of whether you have actually lost weight.
 
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