Are there any "Ringers" out there ?

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Here is one for L:O:T:R: fans . (You know who you are ! )

Is the tune to " Gollum,s song " a piece of classical music ? I am sure this song does not turn everyones fancy as really for part of the film it is used as backround music and only plays in its entirety during the credits of the movie . It is a haunting eccentric piece on its own and when the words combined with the singers fine touch are added to it we are shown the depth of Gollum,s maddening obsession with and posession by the ring .

The Reason I am asking is I am sure I have heard the song used in two other films . Both times Violins were used to play the tune .It is not often that films will pilfer original tunes from each other though there is a freer hand with classical pieces .
 
I am a LOTR fan Kevin. I've read and re-read the books at least yearly since childhood. Didn't care for the movies much.:thumbdn: I guess a director is going to take liscence and thats to be expected:rolleyes: , but he changed fundamental things that I thought were inappropriate and unnecessary. I don't think he got Middle Earth either as a world.;) Ruined the story if you ask me. Scenery was good though. And I did like their Gollum. Good effects too. Empty though I thought. I don't know anything about the music, sorry, I just couldn't resist ribbing the movie.
 
aproy1101 said:
I am a LOTR fan Kevin. I've read and re-read the books at least yearly since childhood. Didn't care for the movies much.:thumbdn: I guess a director is going to take liscence and thats to be expected:rolleyes: , but he changed fundamental things that I thought were inappropriate and unnecessary. I don't think he got Middle Earth either as a world.;) Ruined the story if you ask me. Scenery was good though. And I did like their Gollum. Good effects too. Empty though I thought. I don't know anything about the music, sorry, I just couldn't resist ribbing the movie.
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I have based my whole life on the factual accounts written of in the books and have even named several of my 200 cats after characters in the movie ! L:O:L ( Please ! I am kidding ! Cats and I just don,t get along anymore .) I am mature enough and perhaps jaded enough to allow the movies to stand on their own merits such as they may be . While I am a fan of the dramatic I do appreciate the finesse of movie magic . Rest assured that I would rather listen to a suspense filled tale in a smoky tent listening to a master storyteller than watch a C:G:I: filled demolition madness movie .

I would still like to see if one of our compadres knows a little more about and or has an appreciation for the Song . There is a flavour to it that speaks well of its selection for the movie or better yet (in my opinion)music written for the words and the movie . I am principally a writer/poet and am trying to learn how to write music to go along with the words I write . The dark oppressive flighty , airiness of the music to Gollum,s song is in perfect accord with the eccentricity of Gollum,s madness in opposition to his loyalty and respect for Frodo . (Now tell me I haven,t opened a can of worms there ! ) L:O:L
 
According to IMDB.com, Gollum's Song was written by Fran Walsh...aka: Mrs. Peter Jackson... and is original music, not a classical piece of old.

She didn't appear on th DVD's because she wanted to remain private.

Alan
 
ACStudios said:
According to IMDB.com, Gollum's Song was written by Fran Walsh...aka: Mrs. Peter Jackson... and is original music, not a classical piece of old.

She didn't appear on th DVD's because she wanted to remain private.

Alan
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Hmmmmmmm......... Peter Jackson says I . Somehow that name rings a bell .
Suddenly the ringing sound changes to a dull thud as my palm slaps my empty noggin . Good old Pete keeping it all in the family . I guess she was responsible for both words and music ? I will have to backtrack to the movies where I heard the tune and see if there is a co-relation . Maybe Peter hired his wife out to do the catering !
Lord knows they could use the money ! L:O:L

What I both liked and disliked about the films was often to do with music and the eclectic choices made . In one highly charged scene where Aragon is being dragged to his death over the cliff edge they actually played old cliffhanger music ala overdramatic westerns . I found it cute but a bit dated . I guess that just dates myself .

I do think the choice of Annie Lennox for the final song of the trilogy while controversial turned out a great soulful performance . While I don,t agree with all her sexual politics her voice shivers me timbers .
 
Did anyone read the wonderful parody, "Bored of the Rings?" Harvard Lampoon?

Arrowshirt of Arrowroot

Princess Celophane

GoodGulf the Grey Teeth

The infamous Ballhog

Nikon Kelvinator Runes

Dildo Bugger (Bilbo Baggins)

Prince Faraslax

Dwarf Legolam

The Land or Tudor and Fordor

The Narcs that rode around on giant black farting pigs. "Just give us a ring!"
 
Bill Marsh said:
Did anyone read the wonderful parody, "Bored of the Rings?" Harvard Lampoon?

Arrowshirt of Arrowroot

Princess Celophane

GoodGulf the Grey Teeth

The infamous Ballhog

Nikon Kelvinator Runes

Dildo Bugger (Bilbo Baggins)

Prince Faraslax

Dwarf Legolam

The Land or Tudor and Fordor

The Narcs that rode around on giant black farting pigs. "Just give us a ring!"
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REPLY; While such colorful characters and their names are easy prey to Characturists and others of their ilk I held off out of respect . There are those among my friends who value the movies and books too highly to accept any suggestion of a jocular view . I myself had developed an outline for a parody that would have gotten me in trouble with a couple of buxom vixens I know . Not only do they appreciate the movies and lifestyle but also made the most wonderful arrows following a L:O:T:R: Legolas theme . One young lady actually got to the point where she sold these arrows on E-bay for $120 a dozen . They were well worth it as they were hand cut and tied feathers arrows that aside from being truly beautiful were very functional . I bought the cut feathers from one of them and had a set assembled for my daughters birthday . If I ever get a digital I,ll post a pic .
 
Tolkien, being a professor of old english, went to enormous lengths to try and make his imagined world as real and full of echoes as he could.

I remember a number of years ago reading translations of some of the old Icelandic and Norse sagas, and finding the names of a bunch of the dwarves from The Hobbit. Balin, Dwalin, Ori etc. They "sound" right in our ears, because in some real sense they are authentic - at least for the mythology and the "time period" you'd expect in the books.

I love the books, and have re-read them perhaps annually since I was about 12. Various bits of the movies stick in my throat, but in general they're a much better rendition of the stories than I'd have expected. In particular, I loved how the flying Nazgul were done, and the charge of the Rohirrim in the battle before the gates of Minas Tirith.

t.
 
Being the barbarian that I am, I have never read these great books. So to me, they were just fantastic movies for my own entertainment. Slow in some parts, rushed in other, but i'm an optimist. They held my attention for 3+ hours of enjoyment. As more of a movie lover than a book lover, I find Jackson's rise to uber director fascinating. Before he blew up as the director of LOTR and King Kong, he was making pretty obscure (although highly entertaining and ribtickling) horror movies. Much like Sam Rami who has had tons of success with his Spiderman movies, Jackson's earlier horror movies were both funny and gory as all get out. Not gory in the way that Romaro does it where it makes your face hurt, but amusing. Heck, in one of Jackson's movies he himself plays an alien hunter who gets knocked off a cliff and smacks his head on a rock with is life being saved by the poor roosting seaguls that broke his fall. Not being one to let a little thing like having one's brains dashed on some rocks get him down, he scoops up what he can and stuffs them back under the broken flap of skull and scalp, then secures it with a bandana. Through out the movie we see the now pretty psychotic Jackson stumble around and every so often go into a bit of a convulsion as his head flap pops open a bit.
Sounds gross, but it's so campy and tongue in cheek that it makes you laugh. His earlier movies are full of this stuff:)
Anyway, he's come a long way from doing gross out horror/coms to directing the most ambitious set of movies ever attempted.

Jake
 
Tom,

I read one of Tolkein's lectures, and he said his idea of good fantasy was to create an entirely new exsistance so real that you could feel the breeze and smell the smells. It doesn't suprise me what you said about the names coming from old sagas. Authenticity was key to him, and he hated allegory. I've heard some people, Catholics mainly, say that the books stand for this or that. They couldn't be more wrong, and Tolkein actually addressed that in lectures.

There were parts of the movies that I liked, such as the creating of the half orcs by Saruman. I thought that was well done. I liked Orthank too. Its how he changed the foundations of the story, for me, that was sacrelidge. Why did he change the base motovations of Aragorn? That was fundamental and ignorant. I can't get by it. Why the hell did he do any of this unless he wanted the crown and the hand of Arwen? He had no reason for the quest. The Aragorn in the movie would, in my opinion, actually have drowned his hopeless ass in a bottle long before the journey started. Cest la vie.:thumbdn:
 
Bill Marsh said:
Did anyone read the wonderful parody, "Bored of the Rings?" Harvard Lampoon?

Arrowshirt of Arrowroot

Princess Celophane

GoodGulf the Grey Teeth

The infamous Ballhog

Nikon Kelvinator Runes

Dildo Bugger (Bilbo Baggins)

Prince Faraslax

Dwarf Legolam

The Land or Tudor and Fordor

The Narcs that rode around on giant black farting pigs. "Just give us a ring!"
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I acutally have a torn/tattered copy right next to my copy of the trilogy... too funny! :D

Alan
 
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