Are there any V-grind waved emersons?

no AFAIK all EKIs are chisel grind, they call the commander/13/?? something other than CG but they are essentially CG.
 
The tanto blades on current productions are true chisels with the right side flat and the left ground with a main bevel to within about 1/32 inch of the edge and a final edge bevel. This final bevel meets the right side flat forming the cutting edge.


The other Emersons have a V grind chisel edge. What is that?
The spear, bowie, scimitar, persian and other curved blades have the main bevel on both sides. On the right side the bevel extends all the way to the edge while the right makes a transition to a final bevel meeting the right side at the cutting edge. This final bevel varies from about 1/32 to 1/8 of an inch in width.

If you want to modifiy one of these V grind chisels into a a true V you'll have to put a final bevel on the right side. Based on my Emerson experience this is easiest to do on the CQC-13.
 
Thanks for the replies. The reason I asked, is that I've seen Commanders for sale (on ebay, bladeart, and other places) and they said the blade was a V-grind. I guess they're just not accurate in their descriptions. I can see ebay being wrong, but when I saw that on bladeart, I thought maybe there was a variation of the commander I didn't know about.
 
According to www.emersonknives.com, both the Commander and the Mini Commander are "conventional V-Grind". Available in your choice of serrated or plain, black or satin finish on the blade. Both of these are WAVE.
 
Emerson's definition of conventional V grind is what I have noted above.

Pleasenote that once you learn to sharpen an Emerson V grind you'll be able to do it quicker and better than edges on other brand knives that do have what people would ordinarily call a v grind.

gatour said:
According to www.emersonknives.com, both the Commander and the Mini Commander are "conventional V-Grind". Available in your choice of serrated or plain, black or satin finish on the blade. Both of these are WAVE.
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gatour said:
According to www.emersonknives.com, both the Commander and the Mini Commander are "conventional V-Grind". Available in your choice of serrated or plain, black or satin finish on the blade. Both of these are WAVE.
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roshi is 100% correct, they are NOT conventional 'V' grinds, believe me.

i dont know why they even say that really, gives folks the wrong impression even though EKI is "technically correct".
 
Ok, here's the real deal with the grinds. The tanto bladed knives, and the persain are chisel ground. All of the other PRODUCTION knives are V ground. They have an asymetrical edge (sharpened only on one side like most CRKT knives), but they are most definately V ground. I think people get lost in the terminology. The CQC8, 10, 11, 12, and 13 are all V ground, as is the Commander, and any of the older "A" variant knives. If you saw a Commander that was chisel ground, it was one of two things, an ES1-M (which is a custom, and a VERY rare one at that), or one of Bladeart's Titanium bladed mini-commanders. Even the full sized Ti-Comms aren't chisel ground (albeit it's a very weird asymetrical grind).

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BUT they are most definitly not a conventional 'V' grind, nor are they sharpened like a conventional 'V' grind, nor do they cut like a conventional "V' grind call it what ya will.

i dont see a lot of advantages to it myself as much as i like EKI, not that its bad but i dont see what it does a "conventional" 'V' doesnt do, in some cases better.

and i love EKI, in spite if the odd grinds though not because of them lol.

now the zero bevel, now that grind for SD is pretty darned good imho, but not the best for utility. FWIW the ECA persians were zero bevel grind, not CG.
 
What is the reason for this asymetrical grind?

This is from the Emerson site:

A chisel ground knife, being beveled, (ground) on one side only, possesses greater strength, (due to increased cross sectional mass) and they cut with an ease not found on any other type of blade. This is because there is no parasitic drag produced by the flat side when cutting --- no drag points.​

Is this true in practice?

I am just now (after owning many other knives) looking into Emersons, the Mini Commander in particular and wondering about this non-standard grind business.
 
Ok, I've done some more researching and it seems I've stumbled right into the briar patch with my above question(s).

I'm not trolling so I'll take any experiences people have but I'm not looking to start a big *thing*.

Thanks.
 
not a big thing, i think EKIs are CG because all of ernies custom stuff was and they just went that way when he started making production stuff, a trademark if ya will kinda, like spydercos hole, not as usefull as a hole though lol.

really CG's cut fine, and are easier to sharpen once ya get the knack of it, and by "cut fine" i mean if used in a self defense manner, not particularly for cutting a orange for instance, EKI's are more designed for SD than utility anyway imho. not that a CG wont work "OK" for utility, its just not gonna cut some medium like a conventional "V" grind. like i say they are more for SD anyway, not utility.

as far as being stronger, well, i dont know about that, i have heard good arguments both pro & con, i would say "at least as strong" vs "stronger".
 
SIFU1A said:
BUT they are most definitly not a conventional 'V' grind, nor are they sharpened like a conventional 'V' grind, nor do they cut like a conventional "V' grind call it what ya will.

i dont see a lot of advantages to it myself as much as i like EKI, not that its bad but i dont see what it does a "conventional" 'V' doesnt do, in some cases better.

and i love EKI, in spite if the odd grinds though not because of them lol.

now the zero bevel, now that grind for SD is pretty darned good imho, but not the best for utility. FWIW the ECA persians were zero bevel grind, not CG.
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That's not exactly true. I have several Emerson Customs, and a few production blades that are absoultely V grinds in every sense of the word (and I'm a knifemaker, so trust me, I know a V grind when I see one :D). The only part of the knife that is not traditional is the edge itself. As for the persians, the production peices are not zero ground, just the ECA blades and the customs. As far as utility use is concerned.......with a chisel ground blade, it takes some getting used to. Once you've got the hang of it, you'll be fine. I make lots of chisel ground stuff, but for right handers, I grind the bevel on the right side of the blade. In the kitchen, nothing can touch a correctly chisel ground chefs knife! If you don't believe me, try it for yourself. Many traditional japanese kitchen knives are chisel ground for this exact reason.

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trust me if ya have a EKI commander with a conventional "V" grind someone reground the thing. look up above on roshi's post #4 to see how they come from EKI. i have 2 specwars have had so many EKI's i cant remember how many and none were a conventional "V" grind. i mean a conventional "V" grind like on say a spyderco plain edge delica for example.
 
FWIW i wish they would call it something other than a "V "grind, it confuses people, i wish i had a dime for every person who asks if a commander is a std V grind/bought a commander expecting a std "V" grind. not that i dont like the EKI version, mind ya.
 
I don't see a big difference between what Emerson calls a "V" grind with a chisel edge, and many of my Spyderco's. My Military, Para-Military, Scorpius, and Delica all are conventional v-flat grinds with the final edge bevel on one side only. And as was mentioned above, many other knives are the same way (CRKT, etc.) No big issue for me:)
 
Yester5 said:
I don't see a big difference between what Emerson calls a "V" grind with a chisel edge, and many of my Spyderco's. My Military, Para-Military, Scorpius, and Delica all are conventional v-flat grinds with the final edge bevel on one side only. And as was mentioned above, many other knives are the same way (CRKT, etc.) No big issue for me:)
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Are your spydies in spyderedge? Because all plainedge spydies have got a true V grind with 2 sides bevel. Totally different than EKI. The only spydies with one side bevel are spyderedge.
 
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