Are You A Member Of KNIFE RIGHTS?

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Tommy-Chi

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Have you joined Knife Rights yet?
Go to: http://www.KnifeRights.org


Please feel free to discuss the benefits of this organization. I'm a member and given how many of us carry our knives, this is the go to group to help us keep our right to carry.
 
Well I support them in spirit since I find it admirable when somebody does that work. We don't really have an organization here like that, at least not that I am aware of, but I feel like they'd have an even harder time.
 
Gideons said:
No. As a Canadian... I will support knife rights when they support Canadians.
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You have every right to choose how you want to spend/donate your money; in this case given that Knife Rights seems to focus the majority, if not all of their efforts in USA, I can see how your lack of support in this matter can be argued as a Canadian.

However, as a fellow Canadian, please consider the following:

The knife community is an international one; the members of BladeForums being a prime example of this. Here you have a place where people from all walks of life who reside in places from around the globe, gather to discuss blades and share their passion for them.

Given that in a fair amount of places, there are various restrictions regarding knives, I think it's in the community's greater interest to support their fellow hobbyists in different locales to

A) Help those who share the same passion for knives enjoy this shared hobby more freely and

B) It helps to set an example/precedent for other areas/locations (for example, with the current shennanigans with our own CBSA, a handy example to have is the Australians who irrc had a law banning flippers or their importation or something along those lines repealed simply because it was an ineffective law for doing anything other than prohibiting flipper knives - or so I've heard

An example that may be of greater interest to you as a Canadian is that when the issue with the CBSA first came into play, there was a lawyer who was raising funds to mount a court challenge here. One of the first (and one of only a few) places this was covered was in an article on Knife news. After reading their article, I decided I too wanted to contribute monetarily and when I went to the fundraising page, the first donor was Knifenews who had contributed $500. I'm willing to bet that the outlet doesn't have a super strong Canadian connection, but were giving to the effort more as fellow enthusiasts supporting us Canadian enthusiasts.

If you don't want to contribute to KnifeRights because they don't often/ever directly fight for change in our backyard, that's ok. But I wouldn't be so quick to discard the organization given all the work they do for fellow enthusiasts just to the South of our border.

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Yes, am a member and think it is a great cause! They have done a LOT of the community by turning back silly laws all over the country. Also, if you join at their big raffle time you get a great chance to win some great stuff!

For our Northern Brothers I think in the long run they will help you with customs stuff at least.
 
Tommy-Chi said:
I thought that Knife Rights was working with American knife manufacturers on the Canadian border patrol / flipper issue?
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I've heard this mentioned before as well, additionally a few large Canadian knife retailers are purportedly working with ̶K̶n̶i̶f̶e̶r̶i̶g̶h̶t̶s̶.

ETA: Apparently I'm mistaken and the group I was thinking of is the AKTI.
 
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Chariotz4 said:
You have every right to choose how you want to spend/donate your money; in this case given that Knife Rights seems to focus the majority, if not all of their efforts in USA, I can see how your lack of support in this matter can be argued as a Canadian.

However, as a fellow Canadian, please consider the following:

The knife community is an international one; the members of BladeForums being a prime example of this. Here you have a place where people from all walks of life who reside in places from around the globe, gather to discuss blades and share their passion for them.

Given that in a fair amount of places, there are various restrictions regarding knives, I think it's in the community's greater interest to support their fellow hobbyists in different locales to

A) Help those who share the same passion for knives enjoy this shared hobby more freely and

B) It helps to set an example/precedent for other areas/locations (for example, with the current shennanigans with our own CBSA, a handy example to have is the Australians who irrc had a law banning flippers or their importation or something along those lines repealed simply because it was an ineffective law for doing anything other than prohibiting flipper knives - or so I've heard

An example that may be of greater interest to you as a Canadian is that when the issue with the CBSA first came into play, there was a lawyer who was raising funds to mount a court challenge here. One of the first (and one of only a few) places this was covered was in an article on Knife news. After reading their article, I decided I too wanted to contribute monetarily and when I went to the fundraising page, the first donor was Knifenews who had contributed $500. I'm willing to bet that the outlet doesn't have a super strong Canadian connection, but were giving to the effort more as fellow enthusiasts supporting us Canadian enthusiasts.

If you don't want to contribute to KnifeRights because they don't often/ever directly fight for change in our backyard, that's ok. But I wouldn't be so quick to discard the organization given all the work they do for fellow enthusiasts just to the South of our border.

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I supported the petition to be brought to our parliament and I also donated money to the lawyer. I personally do have serious doubts and have yet to see the proof that supporting lobbyists south of our border will have an affect in Canada. How long has the NRA(for example) been around and other lobbyist groups that have had zero or at most very limited impact in Canada.

Tommy-Chi said:
I thought that Knife Rights was working with American knife manufacturers on the Canadian border patrol / flipper issue?
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That is incorrect(I would be happy if I was wrong however). The only organisation who has had meeting(s) or thought of potential options was AKTI. I (and apparently hundreds of other canadians according an article) contacted Doug Ritter after the CBSA ruling and due to many complicated knife rights had really zero intentions to work on the issue. Look, I'm not bashing the organisation, I completely understand the stance that was taken in this article by Knife Rights/Doug Ritter . I appreciate all of the work the organisation has done south of the border. I was just stating I personally don't donate to an organisation that doesn't operate in my country.
 
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Gideons said:
I supported the petition to be brought to our parliament and I also donated money to the lawyer. I think it is nothing short of a fallacy to think support lobbyists south of our border will have an affect in Canada. How long has the NRA(for example) been around and other lobbyist groups that have had absolutely zero impact in Canada.

That is incorrect. The only organisation who has had meeting(s) or thought of potential options was AKTI. I and apparently hundreds of other canadians(according an article) contacted Doug Ritter after the CBSA ruling and due to many complicated knife rights had really zero intentions to work on the issue. Look, I'm not bashing the organisation, I completely understand the stance that was taken in this article by Knife Rights/Doug Ritter . I appreciate all of the work the organisation has done south of the border. I was just stating I personally don't donate to an organisation that doesn't operate in my country.
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I love Canada. I spent many summers at hockey camp in Canada and even had hockey coaches from Canada here in the USA. I wish that I could help, but here is an idea.

Possibly contact a few highly visible persons in Canada who support Canadian knife rights and then see a Canadian Lawyer, and I'd also contact Ritter to either start a Canadian arm of Knife Rights in Canada or ask him how to go abt starting a Canadian Knife Rights organization. I'm sure he would be willing to give a few tips.

It's is time for a Canadian Knife Rights Org!
 
Gideons said:
I supported the petition to be brought to our parliament and I also donated money to the lawyer. I think it is nothing short of a fallacy to think support lobbyists south of our border will have an affect in Canada. How long has the NRA(for example) been around and other lobbyist groups that have had absolutely zero impact in Canada.

That is incorrect. The only organisation who has had meeting(s) or thought of potential options was AKTI. I and apparently hundreds of other canadians(according an article) contacted Doug Ritter after the CBSA ruling and due to many complicated knife rights had really zero intentions to work on the issue. Look, I'm not bashing the organisation, I completely understand the stance that was taken in this article by Knife Rights/Doug Ritter . I appreciate all of the work the organisation has done south of the border. I was just stating I personally don't donate to an organisation that doesn't operate in my country.
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Regarding your example of the NRA and advocacy for firearms rights up here, I'm not disputing the fact that they aren't fighting for those rights in Canada. However, while I can't offer any definitive proof of this being the case, I like to think the existance of that group (and other similar ones in the US) have inspired people up here to form our own advocacy groups, namely the CCFR.

Regarding KnifeRights and their supposed working with various groups to help out with the situation up here, I stand corrected about it actually being the AKTI.
 
I am and have been for awhile off and on. reason being sometimes I forget to renew and then I see posts here and I remember.

no room for politics here but regular folks have to stand together and support legitimate lobbying for our rights, if they belive in these type rights. as a example but not related, corporations spend lots of money to direct the system for their needs. it works.

individually many, not all of course, of our pockets are light and cant make any impact. together and with organized and smart lobbying they can. it's pretty much that simple.

course I believe in basic individual human rights. including voting, speech, all types of gun ownership and legal open and concealed carry, all types of knife legal carrying and use, property and business ownership rights, right of self defense to protect ones life, family and property. etc. etc.....

I realize others dont believe in those things and they have the right to believe differently....and while I dont agree, I do support that.
 
No..I'm an NRA life member but I don't support the molon labe aspect of of the gun rights part of the NRA, I also don't support that aspect of knife rights because it supports a blanket approach to something that falls well within states rights. I would support reciprocation of gun and knife rights only if it respected the most stringent of state laws not the least simply because I don't respect safety training as a qualifier of concealed carry since it's not representaive of skill. Having said all that that I have no issue with open carry since in a crisis situation I want to know all the threats I face.
 
GermanyChris said:
No..I'm an NRA life member but I don't support the molon labe aspect of of the gun rights part of the NRA, I also don't support that aspect of knife rights because it supports a blanket approach to something that falls well within states rights. I would support reciprocation of gun and knife rights only if it respected the most stringent of state laws not the least simply because I don't respect safety training as a qualifier of concealed carry since it's not representaive of skill. Having said all that that I have no issue with open carry since in a crisis situation I want to know all the threats I face.
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The 2nd Amendment does not fall to states rights in the USA. The 2nd Amendment is a right of the people, not the states. Whatever regulation that exists on 2nd Amendment weapons can be overturned by taking the case to the Supreme Court. There are so few people with the means to do that is testament to the rights which have been taken away at the state level.
 
Tommy-Chi said:
The 2nd Amendment does not fall to states rights in the USA. The 2nd Amendment is a right of the people, not the states. Whatever regulation that exists on 2nd Amendment weapons can be overturned by taking the case to the Supreme Court. There are so few people with the means to do that is testament to the rights which have been taken away at the state level.
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Except that very few have, so moving on
 
states have their own constitutions. some protect things we are discussing and some do not. one of the beauties of this union is if you don't agree with your states setup you can leave and go to a state that fulfills your beliefs and views better.
 
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