Arghhhh! Why 440A? Mini Boa

Thats actually a pretty cool little knife. Due to the size of the blade the steel should't be to bad as it wouldn't get all that much "heavy duty" use.

I wasn't even aware a mini was coming out. I think I'll have to get one.

Thanks for the heads up on this one. :D
 
Tom Krein said:
Donovan,
I am with you on this one. They could at least use aus-8.

Tom

Ditto! How much could the price difference possibly be? :confused:
Maybe it's something else...
Is 440A much easier to machine than AUS-8 or 440C?

I'm turned off by 440A too. That's what you can expect from the REALLY low-end stuff. Even companys that really crank out a lot of bargain-price like Buck and CRKT do better than 440A.

The more I think about it, the less I like this. I hope Kershaw isn't moving in a direction where they're making things that are high on looks and low on materials/quality. It would be a shame because they've EARNED a pretty decent reputation lately as being a good "bang-for-the-buck" company.
 
I just picked up a Mini-Boa today. I agree that Kershaw should use 440C or AUS-8 instead of 440A, but given that this is a light use cute gent's knife, I really don't think that 440A is going to be that much of a problem. The Mini Boa is really a good looking little knife and the blade is mirror finished. That is one advantage of 440A, it's easy to mirror finish. :cool:
 
Eh. For a tinygadget-knife like that, 440a's prolly just fine.

And aren't AUS-series knives usually made in Japan? Maybe thebaby boa's made elsewhere.
 
440C & AUS8 cannot be fine blanked. Fine blanking is when you use a die to punch the blades out of a sheet of steel. The higher the carbon content of the steel, the faster the dies wear out. Fine blanking dies cost lots of money.

Steels like 440C, AUS8, S30V etc are laser cut. Laser cutting is much slower than fine blanking. Slow production means each blade costs more*. Laser cutting production can be increased by buying more machines which cost huge money.

* = The cost of difference of the two ways of making the blades is not that much at the manufacturers level, but we do not buy knives at the manufacturing price. Knives are manufactured, distributed and sold at retail prices. For example, if a blade is $10 at the manufacturers level, the distributers level price is $20 and the retail price is $40. A difference of a few dollars at the manufacturing level makes a huge difference at the retail level.

When a manufacturer makes a new knife, part of the design is deciding what market price will be. The lower the price, the higher quantity will be sold. A difference of a few dollars makes a huge difference it the quantity sold. The higher quantity sold, the faster the knives must be made. This forces the manufacturers to reduce costs and increase production every place possible. One way to cut big costs and increase production is to fine blank the blades.

440A and AUS6 are NOT bad steels. However, they are not all the same. The alloy numbers may be the same but the alloy content and heat treat can vary dramatically. One way Kershaw and Spyderco have distinguished themselves is by getting the most out of the steel. I've noticed that knives with 440A and AUS6 from Kershaw and Spyderco stay sharp longer than knives with the same alloys from other companies.

Don't make the mistake of lumping all companies together.
 
i have a blur in 440A. pretty much the same knife only assisted. I wish it had better edge retention but really its not that bad. Its ok its not going to hold razor sharp but when i get a hold of a steel i give it a few passes and its pretty ok for a while stropping on my jeans seems to do some good as well. problem is i dont really know how to sharpen a knife or really do any changes to the edge or anything. i have a lansky system that im not really liking so im still kinda spinning my wheels on sharpening.
 
Maybe because the Mini Boa is made in US hence the made in the US 440a steel. Most of the Taiwan stuff is either 6a for entry level or 8a for premium ( like those offered by CRKT ) , Japan would have the 8a as entry and vg10 as premium as a general rule.....

Of course the Lone Wolf made in Japan used S30V for the upper level, that does make it hell to generalize, doesnt it?
 
Thanks for the inside info, Chuck. I don't think that 440A is bad steel, but the bar has definitely been raised and there are many knives in the $40-$50 price range of the baby boa using VG10 or AUS8 (for instance the Camillus Cuda Sizzler). And neat assisted opening gimmicks aside it is still the steel I am most interested in.

I also didn't realize the baby boa was so small. I was thinking it was closer in size to the Leek than the Chive.

Jack
 
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