Arrowhead Identification?

[weepingcrow]

I've had these arrowheads for decades, but was always curious as to where they originated. Someone said maybe Northern Europe. Anyone have arrowhead knowledge? Thanks.

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[betzner]

I have carefully reviewed your post and your image. After much thought and consideration, I've come to the conclusion that this may not be knife-related..................

 

[Triton]

I’ll have to dig out some of my books but as I recall tanged arrowheads in general were earlier with socketed later. These could be European forms, but they might be Mongolian also. Lots of people were doing similar things. Whether these are actually old I have no idea.

 

[Alberta Ed]

Very interesting. How did you come by them? I've seen similar in museums.

 

[heresthedeal]

Clicked on this thinking they would be flint, something I have a little bit of knowledge about. Those are obviously not Flint. I would say by just looking at them, in a picture, they're most definitely old and hand forged. It would be my guess that those are older than the basically feral type arrowheads. I would also think that you might want to look into them not being arrowheads in the traditional sense but bolt points, as in crossbow bolts. Seen some older pictures of medieval crossbow bolts or darts, I don't think they were built out of one piece of wood I think some of them were put together out of slivers so it would have been easier to put a socketed point in there instead of a point with a feral.
Like I said I know a little bit more about Flint points, then iron points from Europe. Then again they may not be European they could be African there was a lot of iron points that came out of Africa. Not sure what that little hook thing is down there at the bottom of the picture. If it's part of a thumb ring then it's definitely possible that their Eastern European or Asian.

 

[weepingcrow]

The hook thing is a pendant

 

[weepingcrow]

These arrowheads were with my grandfather's belongings after he passed away a while back. There was a small piece of paper with them that said "Kievan Rus". I din't know if it referred to the arrowheads or not. He was originally from Czechoslovakia. The paper was lost.

 

[heresthedeal]

Googled Kievan Rus and according to the Wikipedia page it's a state and Eastern Europe 9th to 13th century, sounded like, well sounded like everything else on Wikipedia somebody wrote some stuff that they thought or thought they knew. Wasn't a bad read.
Got a question or two, how much does each arrowhead or bulk point weigh, preferably in grains or grams whatever. Arrowheads even back then iron or even stone probably wouldn't have went anymore than 100 grain 120 grain for stone to 200 to 250 grain for iron. Crossbow bolts points would have been heavier. So if these things weigh 100 to 150 grain probably arrowheads maybe. 150 to 300 grain probably crossbow bolts points. Pour this all could be complete and absolute conjecture and it could have been knife points. Curious as to how much they weigh though and the length and width.

 

[kvaughn]

Don't know a thing about them but they're sure up there on my "Neato" meter.