As a kid of the 80s, Crocodile Dundee started my obsession, TIME FOR THE KNIFE!..

t1mpani

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Ever since 1986 in that theater, I've wanted that knife. With all of my progression in knowledge of design, materials (the original was stainless of some sort) and everything else, that big Marbles/Puma inspired Bowie just always sang to me. There were several over the years that used the name, frequently crappy knives advertised in the back of gun magazines, but they seldom looked much like the original. And, truth be told, the original had some (to my mind) flaws in terms of the design---I don't like pommels or guards that burst out of the handle at right angles, the original guard is kind of overly thick and poorly shaped in my opinion, the hollow-saber grind that only goes up like 1/2" on the original (on a blade that's around 2" wide) really makes for extremely poor cutting/chopping/big knife performance and a fragile edge, and I've never cared for sharpened swedges as I feel they (especially on an inside curve) are all but useless even if you ARE in a fight, and definitely not hollow ground ones as they needlessly weaken the tip.

So, a good while back, I decided to hit up one of my favorite knife makers, Lamont Coombs, and annoy the holy hell out of him by getting him involved in my perfected Dundee knife. I wanted 3V for the steel , stacked micarta discs for the handle (tiny nod towards the old Marble's leather handles but I don't want this to ever shrink or rot), silicon bronze for the guard and pommel since it's just better in every way than brass (except to work with) and a half-height saber convex grind, leaving plenty of room for the extra-wide fuller. A few tweaks to the size and shape to make it more useable and just flow better. I sent him a drawing, complete with dimensions, and told him that plus or minus 0.001" would be plenty accurate. :D Oh, and I wanted two of them, one to keep gorgeous and the other to actually murder saplings with, or a crocodile should one ever be attacking a mostly-naked blonde chick in front of me.

It took a long time---not because Lamont doesn't work hard, but because making two IDENTICAL knives out of such unforgiving, PITA materials takes a long time. I won't say how much it was---dreams aren't measured in dollars, anyway. I was just polishing a little tarnish off of the user's blade today and decided that it was time to post them. Lamont's picture taking abilities vastly exceed my own, so what I've included here are his originals.

I've had them for about a year now, or a little less. It's so unusual to receive something and have it be EXACTLY what you wanted. I've since taken the "ugly" one (inside joke, the one with the plainer sheath) and lugged it along on a hunting trip (if we'd gotten a shot, I WOULD have processed the animal with it), as well as numerous hiking trips, and loved carrying every ounce of it. With the swiveling, drop-loop sheaths it actually rides very nicely IWB, angled at 45 degrees at the five o'clock position and pointed at six...I can walk, climb, sit and it's never in my way, and with a jacket or untucked shirt you can't see any evidence of it; so no, I'm not terrorizing other outdoors lovers. I'm just finally carrying the knife that my eight year old self dreamed of those decades ago.

Original first, and then Lamont's effort. Big and heavy? Yes--but less so and more nimble than you think (the 440C version of this knife that's on the market right now is comparatively a joke, balance wise and everything else). Not the best design for a camp knife? No, but very capable and it brings much more joy to me than any more sensible full flat-ground drop point. I won't argue the merits of the movie on any kind of a critical basis--pretty much a fluff piece, but one of these days I'll watch it again, whilst doing exactly what my mother warned me against back then: playing with knives. I expect to enjoy myself thoroughly.

As always, my thanks to Lamont, one of the most talented knife makers I know (and I know a BUNCH), both for his hard work, and his patience with all my emails being typed in a phonetic-Aussie accent. :D

The original, and the perfected:
 
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Too nice not to be able to see full size



 
Thank you...and oh yes! I forgot the retention method---the 550 cord and ball (which worked just fine) has been replaced by a small loop of elastic climbing cord--snugs right over the guard and holds the knife tight, but is pulled out of the way more easily and can't come loose by accident.
 
This is amazing. I've always wanted this knife. The "down under" version just doesn't do it for me. I'd gladly purchase one of these!
 
Very nice knives!

The classic "That's not a knife" scene from Crocodile Dundee.

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The crocodile Dundee is grail knife!
Brings back hilarious memories of how some buddies of mine kept making snide comments about my trusted "Dundee knife" back then,
which was nothing more than a worn Pakistani repro of a western w49 :-)
Guess some folks go all the way in realizing the dream knife.
Which I might add has sprung some spectacular results.
It's An Outstanding triumph
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Glad y'all like 'em. :)
The crocodile Dundee is grail knife!
Brings back hilarious memories of how some buddies of mine kept making snide comments about my trusted "Dundee knife" back then,
which was nothing more than a worn Pakistani repro of a western w49 :-)
Guess some folks go all the way in realizing the dream knife.
Which I might add has sprung some spectacular results.
It's An Outstanding triumph
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.133259893524698.1073741888.121253154725372&type=3

Thanks for that link---I'd seen it before but had forgotten it. When I talk about about guards/pommels that burst out at right angles, it can be seen there, especially in the good pictures of the Puma Bowie guards rising/extending above the top of the handle without any blending or flow (and before a Puma enthusiast jumps down my throat for blasphemy, I collect the old ones, so I'm not denying their mystique), which always looked unfinished to me, like they messed up and ran out of material to make a thick enough handle.

Despite my dreams/money comment, a few people have emailed me to ask what Lamont charged, so I'll say what I told them: these were such a PITA for him that I know he'd want more than he charged me to venture down that road again (the blended saber grind which hides the transition so well without taking the edge off the bottom of the fuller was not easy, for one), however, if he didn't have to adhere to my ridiculously strict set of dimensions, and was allowed to just come close enough to get the look right and work in materials that he actually LIKES working in (A2 is more cooperative than 3V, for example) he just might be willing to just take only an arm and let you keep your leg, but that'll be up to you to negotiate. :D
I will absolutely recommend him to anybody looking to realize a very specific look they have in mind---I've been very specific on a number of occasions and I swear he can do anything.
 
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Yes, my once-pondered line for the title of the thread was, "That's not a proper cutting geometry...THAT'S a proper geometry!" but I wasn't sure people would catch on. ;)

I was going to provide one more shot showing a full profile of the tang that Lamont emailed me back during the construction phase, based on a question I got about the strength of the "stick" tang, but I can't find it. This is a shot that just shows a hint of the tang, and there are two optical illusions going on, as you're looking at the knife sort of fish-eyed from the front so the tang looks narrower than it is and you also can't see that it tapers in its transition into the ricasso, but it does. Anyway, the tang is 3/4" wide where it meets the ricasso, and I believe tapered down to about 1/2" wide down at the end--at a full 1/4" thickness for the whole length. A "hidden tang" no doubt, but I don't think that the word "stick" quite nails it, and no I'm not in the slightest worried about strength. :D

This was before the final polish.
 
t1mpani, you don't sound worried at all, and you shouldn't be worried at all about the strength of a hidden tang. When they're properly built, as this one no doubt is, they are every bit as strong for practical purposes as a full tang. The only way that is going to break at the tang is through extreme abuse, or if there was some defect/flaw in the steel beyond the maker's control. People have these weird fantasies of "indestructible knives" and may try to tell you how it's not strong enough. Don't believe them. When used as a knife, I'm sure that knife will handle everything you throw at it.

Those are beautiful knives, and you should be very proud. I really look forward to seeing some pics in use/stuff cut up, whatever. Thanks for posting, and send Mr. Coombs a bottle of bourbon, he earned his keep :p.

Sam :thumbup:
 
Congrats on finding your grail(s). Like you I also grew up during the 80s. Crocodile Dundee was a childhood hero and I can't help but watch the movie whenever it's on television. I always wanted a knife like Dundee's (a large bowie, not his specific iteration) and had one made a couple of years ago. So what if large bowies aren't the most practical of designs? Sometimes it's enough that a knife brings a smile to your face.
 
What blade length and thickness did you go with? I'm guessing 11"-12" and 0.25"-0.30".
 
Nope, I scaled it down---in my experience, 10"+ blades lose almost all of their utility other than chopping. These guys sit right at 8.75", which is right in the sweet spot of my preference (but yes on the 0.25" stock)---not only for outdoor knives, but kitchen knives too. 8-9" is intuitive for me, much more and they become clumsy tools to me. It'll take 1.5-2" branches off of most tree species in be swing if I do my job, and I've never needed larger sticks than that doing my pseudo-pioneer adventuring. :)

Mr. Wilson--just to be clear, I never have any doubts on hidden tangs, but I think my emailer was envisioning a 1/4" by 1/4" rat-tail and hard right angles against the ricasso. Of course, even that is stronger than folks think---you really don't see many broken Kabar MK2s, despite the "knowledge" that some have as to their fragility. I'll try to get some pics taken during the next adventure--I usually don't do lots of photography in the outdoors, it always feels like I'm missing out on the experience I went for when I start fiddling with an electronic device, but I could certainly make a point of it. I'll check the freezer, maybe I have a chicken I could disassemble. :)

Kamagong--you're right. I always remind folks who sneer too much at certain designs of outdoors knives as being "impractical" that going outdoors at all, to hike, hunt, fish and build fires is not really "practical" in an era of vehicles, supermarkets and central heating. You're right, it's all about experience and enjoyment. And besides, cavemen weren't weekend warriors like us--they did it for real every day of their lives, with stone tools. Some might say that having ANY kind of steel knife is technically cheating, so not having the "perfect" design shouldn't mean much. :)
 
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Nope, I scaled it down---in my experience, 10"+ blades lose almost all of their utility other than chopping. These guys sit right at 8.75", which is right in the sweet spot of my preference (but yes on the 0.25" stock)---not only for outdoor knives, but kitchen knives too. 8-9" is intuitive for me, much more and they become clumsy tools to me. It'll take off 1.5-2" branches off of most tree species in be swing if I do my job, and I've never needed larger sticks than that doing my pseudo-pioneer adventuring. :)

Mr. Wilson--just to be clear, I never have any doubts on hidden tangs, but I think my emailer was envisioning a 1/4" by 1/4" rat-tail and hard right angles against the ricasso. Of course, even that is stronger than folks think---you really don't see many broken Kabar MK2s, despite the "knowledge" that some have as to their fragility. I'll try to get some pics taken during the next adventure--I usually don't do lots of photography in the outdoors, it always feels like I'm missing out on the experience I went for when I start fiddling with an electronic device, but I could certainly make a point of it. I'll check the freezer, maybe I have a chicken I could disassemble. :)

Kamagong--you're right. I always remind folks who sneer too much at certain designs of outdoors knives as being "impractical" that going outdoors at all, to hike, hunt, fish and build fires is not really "practical" in an era of vehicles, supermarkets and central heating. You're right, it's all about experience and enjoyment. And besides, cavemen weren't weekend warriors like us--they did it for real every day of their lives, with stone tools. Some might say that having ANY kind of steel knife is technically cheating, so not having the "perfect" design shouldn't mean much. :)

Excellent, I'm glad to hear that. I know sometimes people like to "sneer" as you put it, at things they either don't understand, or have little to no experience with. I happen to have a touch of experience with "smaller" tangs, myself. Here is what mine typically look like:

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I haven't had any problems yet, but, then again, I tend to use my knives for crazy things, like actually cutting things, and not as a spear or demolition tool, lol :D.
Congrats again on the beautiful knives.

Sam :thumbup:
 
THAT IS AWESOME!!! More pictures please! Maybe some action shots? I love the movie (nominated for the Academy Award for best original screenplay and one of the top grossing independent films of all time) and of course always loved the knife and I think you hit it on the head here its THE knife if it was designed to use and not just be seen congrats man!
Brian
 
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