At last - Sanity prevails?

[gajinoz]

10 years later, vigilante officer is finally happy

Date: January 16 2005

Sydney, Australia

The police officer who took the law into his own hands has been able to move on, writes Eamonn Duff.

A former police officer, acquitted of murder after he shot dead an alleged child molester, has reinvented himself as a Sydney real-estate agent.

In May 1995, Fairfield detective Said Morgan took the law into his own hands and shot a man charged with having molested three girls, including two young relatives.

When a jury took 33 minutes to decide his actions were justified, public debate erupted over the implications of vigilante-style justice.

Mr Morgan assumed a low profile after he was refused reinstatement into the NSW Police force. But 10 years on from the shooting, he is running his own real-estate firm in Sydney's north-west.

"I'm happy again," he said yesterday. "I've worked hard and built a new life for myself. But I've only achieved that by learning to leave the past in the past."

A former employee at Morgans One Stop Realty in Castle Hill said: "Said remains happily married to his wife. They have three beautiful children and a tight knit extended family."

Concerned the alleged offender had received bail and that he might carry out a threat to kill the children, Mr Morgan illegally traced his target's address on a police computer, then gained entry to his Oakhurst home by flashing his detective's badge at a woman who answered the door.

He walked down a hall, passed a teenage boy watching television and found the alleged molester in bed.

In an action described in court as a "Clint Eastwood notion of justice", Mr Morgan emptied his service revolver, shooting the man six times. "It was bang, bang and then he kept coming forward and bang, bang; before I realised it, the fifth or sixth shot was fired," Mr Morgan told the court.

"I was more conscious of the last two [shots] than the first four. The first four were more instinctive."

When asked if he would do the same thing again, Morgan replied: "Without a doubt."

Mr Morgan was flooded with letters supporting his actions.

One eight-year-old boy wrote: "Dear policeman, I'm glad you shot a child molester. I hate them. I know how bad they are and what they do."

Another read: "Dear Constable, I'm a grandmother of two abused children whose father was found guilty by a judge and jury, only to win his appeal and be let off. We are all angry that these men get off with the dreadful behaviour and manage to destroy innocent children. All of my family supports you and your actions."

Another card, signed simply "Sarah", declared: "You are the champion, the protector of all children everywhere so, on their behalf, I thank you."

On August 1, 1997, a jury rejected the Crown argument it was a revenge shooting, finding Mr Morgan instead acted out of fear for the girls' safety.

Acquitted of murder and manslaughter, he said: "The reason why I believe my case gained so much public interest is because it's such a sensitive issue that involves something so close to people as a whole, irrespective of their background, race or social upbringing."

 

[NGK-Webmaster]

Sounds like a fellow who did what he thought needed to be done to protect his family.....

 

[gajinoz]

Sounds like a fellow who did what he thought needed to be done to protect his family.....

The thing about this is that an Australian court thought so too, this is highly unusual and, I hope, a sign that the pendulum is starting to swing back to where people are allowed to defend themselves and their families and away from the PC insanity of the last couple of decades.

 

[roughedges]

Mr. Morgan is now one of my heroes.

 

[maximus otter]

Whoah, people! Dissenting opinion here. This officer murdered an unarmed, defenceless man who allegedly committed an offence? And this is a good thing?

This is step one on a very slippery downhill road.

maximus otter

 

[Emanuel]

Whoah, people! Dissenting opinion here. This officer murdered an unarmed, defenceless man who allegedly committed an offence? And this is a good thing?

This is step one on a very slippery downhill road.

maximus otter

No, the slippery slope is how these scum of society child molesters get off scot free after a couple of years of jail, if even that much!

How our societies have become so forgiving and tolerant of childmolesters, that's the slippery slope that we're on.

The police officer is a good man who did what needed to be done to a terrible person.

I'm happy the child molester is dead, I won't be shedding any tears for him. And quite frankly I HOPE-and--I PRAY that other child molesters take a good hard look at what happened here, and finally understand that more good people are out there that will do terrible things to them if they commit such horrible crimes to children.

I want these child molesters to know this was NOT an isolated case.

What I'm trying to say is, lock and load.

And that's just my opinion!

 

[shaldag]

It is a slippery slope indeed.
Apparently the man's childern were threatened.
What more needs to be said?

 

[maximus otter]

What more needs to be said?

"Despite insistence on the part of some few victim ideologues that, "children never lie about sexual abuse," journalist Cathy Young has observed that, "FBI statistics indicate that eight to nine percent of rape reports are 'unfounded' —closed because the complainant recants or investigators conclude that no crime was committed, [while] the rate for all crimes is around two percent." These figures translate into more than 8000 false rape reports each year."

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume9/j9_3_2.htm

Still feel happy about police officers acting as judge, jury and executioner?

maximus otter

 

[roughedges]

if there are 8000 false rape cases reported a year and that is 8 to 9% of the total then there are between 80000 and 90000 true cases reported every year.

And how many of these are discarded or let off with too little time served and then turned back out into the community?

I know an officer who has arrested the same child molestor 3 different times in a period stretchign over a decade. The last time he found him with a young boy in his home. The world would be a better place with "men" like that fellow resting in a shallow unmarked grave.

In the case in this thread it appears that the officers children were threatened with death by an "accused" child molestor. That's enough for me.

I do think 6 shots was probably overkill though.

 

[Mike Hull]

IMO, most false cases of child molestation were fostered by the prosecuters office, and their agents, the cops, and so called child therapist's, allowed to put thoughts in childrens heads with improper techniques.

Naw, some vigilante justice is not a bad thing, and in the case of the Australian cop, he was protecting his family. Many cops are just afraid of it, as it threatens their job security, or figure they might end up dangling too.

Vigilante justice worked very well in early San Francisco, where the cops were part of the problem, and as soon as the vigilantes finished cleaning house so to speak, they handed power back to the proper authorities.
In fact it worked very well.

Child molestors ruin children for life, they are incurable, yet are allowed bail, or let back into public life after often serving short sentences.
I'd be willing to bet that the Australian case was not this beast's first arrest for the same thing. I'll wager he had prior convictions, or arrests before becoming a dead molestor.

Sorry for such a long post!

 

[gajinoz]

Whoah, people! Dissenting opinion here. This officer murdered an unarmed, defenceless man who allegedly committed an offence? And this is a good thing?

This is step one on a very slippery downhill road.

maximus otter

I can see where you're coming from here Max, we don't really want people roaming around executing anyone they think needs it BUT, there are some cases where it might not be a bad thing. An Australian court of law, (closely based on the British system), thought this guy was justified in doing what he did. Also, the scumbag did threaten his children, doesn't sound like the actions of some poor falsely accused innocent. I'm not saying we should have vigilantes running around killing off people but I think it's refreshing that, at last, courts are taking a sympathetic look at people who are genuinely doing what they think they need to do to protect their families.

In this particular case, from what little we really know of it, yes, I think it was a good thing.

 

[silenthunterstudios]

This is very hard to make a decision on. Some POS threatens a cops family, the cop goes and blasts the guy away. I think that molesters are despicable and get far too much of a good shake, but I also think that the cop was not justified in his actions. Cold blooded murder is just as bad as molestation. Was it proven that this guy was a molester? Just being a pervy goofball does not mean they have done anything. I wouldn't have thought anything bad of the cop if he had gone in there and roughed the guy up a little, maybe even taken him down to the local precint or whatever they call the police station in Australia, and let him sit for awhile. Cops usually stick together, and they would have made it known to this guy, if he was a child molester, to not touch the cops kids. I think killing him was overkill, no pun intended.

 

[gajinoz]

This is very hard to make a decision on. Some POS threatens a cops family, the cop goes and blasts the guy away. I think that molesters are despicable and get far too much of a good shake, but I also think that the cop was not justified in his actions.

I understand your point but lets not forget that a properly constituted court with a jury system found this guy was justified. We are not talking about some shonky system in a 3rd world dictatorship, this is essentially a British criminal justice system. As many faults as it has they don't come much better.

The end doesn't always justify the means but let's look at the end result here. An accused child molester who threated to kill a guy's kids won't be molesting or killing anymore kids. THAT has to be a good outcome, surely.

 

[silenthunterstudios]

I think that if the guy was a molester, and now hes gone, that is absolutetly great, but even Australia isn't the wild west, you can't go blasting all over the place. Besides, he denied those inmates of beating the living crap out of that molester in prison .

 

[TorzJohnson]

"Despite insistence on the part of some few victim ideologues that, "children never lie about sexual abuse," journalist Cathy Young has observed that, "FBI statistics indicate that eight to nine percent of rape reports are 'unfounded' —closed because the complainant recants or investigators conclude that no crime was committed, [while] the rate for all crimes is around two percent." These figures translate into more than 8000 false rape reports each year."

To me, the allegations of the children take a back seat to the suspect's threat to murder them. If my kids told me a person molested them, then that person subsequently told me he was going to kill my kids, I'm afraid I might have done the same thing.

 

[Centaur]

Still feel happy about police officers acting as judge, jury and executioner?

If you want to read a bizarre case, look up the "McMartin Daycare Satanic Abuse" case. The questions the children were asked by the prosecution lead them to say they were molested. Wild, unbelievable stories were concocted.

No convictions were reached.

 

[Mike Hull]

If you want to read a bizarre case, look up the "McMartin Daycare Satanic Abuse" case. The questions the children were asked by the prosecution lead them to say they were molested. Wild, unbelievable stories were concocted.

No convictions were reached.

I was thinking of just that case earlier when I first read Maximus Otter's first reply!!


That was a case of the police acting as vigilantes. Placing false memories in those childrens heads, the same for the DA, and the wretched, so called therapists who aided and abetted that miscarriage of justice.
They tried to railroad those innocent people, and when all was said and done, and it was shown the gross misconduct by the cops, DA's personell, and therapists, no one was held accountable.
They all should have gone to prison for what they almost got away with.

The stories were so bizarre that you'd think that no sane person would believe them, but a jury did, and convicted some of those poor people. The convictions were overturned by more rational appeals judges.:barf:

IIRC, several more of those headline cases came along shortly after that, with the same misconduct on the law enforcement side.
In fact, janet reno tried some poor teen male child, in Florida, three times for child molestation, against overwhelming proof that he didn't do it. I think she would have tried him a 4th time, but the clintons made her attorney general.:barf:
Shows what a manhater can do if they have the power.

 

[TLM]

a properly constituted court with a jury system found this guy was justifie

Why do you think that "properly" and "jury" would make things any better or that justice wuold be given.

TLM

Joka taas saa punaisia neliöitä.

 

[gajinoz]

Why do you think that "properly" and "jury" would make things any better or that justice wuold be given.

TLM

Joka taas saa punaisia neliöitä.

I don't, necessarily, however the point I was making was that the best system we have, despite all it's flaws, and following the rule of law, made a decision. If you have a better system by all means put it into operation but, until then, we have to work with what we've got. In this case I happen to agree with the verdict.

 

[Centaur]

I was thinking of just that case earlier when I first read Maximus Otter's first reply!!

It was the longest and most costly case in history - over 5 years and cost the taxpayers $15 million.

The children told stories of caves and tunnels under the Day care center where the alleged satanic rituals took place. The center was razed, and big surprise, no such structures were found.

People lost their livelyhoods. Because of the ramblings of a mentally ill alcoholic mother, and the prosecution team that tried to prove her right.