At what price point does the cost of knife start to provide diminishing returns?

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I don't know how this happened but I went from looking at regular sub $100 production folders to used Bradley Alias 2's and used CRK's this weekend. I think I can swing about $200-$300 and not be nuts about why I need a $200 knife. I don't actually - and am good with what I have, I just want. Normally a knife just sits in my work bag. But I love the practicality in things as well as appreciate pragmatic design. I can totally see where the value is in a CRK knife but that said is there a certain price point say $100 or $200 in the used secondary knife market where you really aren't getting that much more knife for the money? This had happened to me with watches. Recently my wife gave me an Seiko SKX007 for my bday and I honestly like it better than most of the expensive watches that I've had that were 10 sometimes 25 times more expensive and don't know why I didn't the Seiko sooner.

On the used market what would be an example of a super $100 to $200 knife that would just be a no brainer in terms of value? Knives with no lock up or blade play, issues w/ quality control, I have looked at ZT's but they seem to be over built for me.

That said this is really more about that law of diminishing returns though and at what price point do you hit that in production knives?
 
Yup. The obvious point is when you regret buying the knife, or just don't get the enjoyment out of it that you should.

Sure, you can "get the job" done, eg, cut stuff, with a 5 dollar knife just like you can with a 300 dollar knife. But that doesn't mean that they're the same in terms of quality, etc, or that there are diminishing returns. It's all about what you want out of the knife.

Some have the philosophy that they just want something cheap that they can abuse and not feel bad about if they lose it or break it. They don't particularly care about ergos or durability or edge holding, and aesthetics, fit and finish, etc, take a distant second. They can't have anything too flashy or high quality because they'll be too worried that they'll break it. This kind of person generally won't buy a 100 dollar knife, and you'll find them posting threads about how their Kershaw Cryo is just as good as anyone's custom Hinderer. If a cheap knife gets the job done, great. But then, if you're being honest to yourself, you also shouldn't be buying any new knives until the current one breaks, if you're really in it for saving money and getting the job done at a low cost. As always, you get what you pay for applies. And if you're paying for 10 cheap knives, that screams to me that you really should have spent the cash on the 1 expensive knife, because that's, deep down, really what you were looking for.

Then there are other people, who like a higher quality knife, and have specific features that they're looking for, and take care of their tools, so they're not as worried about losing their knives. Truthfully, if you're the sort of person who's careless or irresponsible enough to lose your knife on a regular basis, you probably shouldn't be buying expensive knives, so I can't fault you for that. For this class of person, who still uses knives as tools, and is more invested in having a perfect cutting experience every time than in pinching pennies, there's a pretty wide range of knives that they may be interested in, reaching up to full-on customs, just so you can get the features you like. This is probably my category. For instance, I like easy open and close knives using an AXIS style lock (although lock style is the last item on my list). I like flippers, and pretty much won't buy non-flippers any more. I won't buy anything that has blocky scales that haven't been contoured on the 3D level, which unfortunately rules out most production knives, and I won't buy anything with poorly placed jimping (say, right below the flipper, so you can bark your fingers on it every time you deploy the knife). I also want something that maximizes the amount of blade I get out of the handle size. I like the smallest package I can carry and still get a nice big blade. I also like a good durable steel that will take and keep a good edge, but still be easy to sharpen. M390 is fantastic stuff. I'm currently using an S90V, which is tempered very hard, and will be a devil to sharpen, but also should keep a good edge for a long time. And, it's got to be a well-made knife that I know I can depend on to work for me every time. Which means, really, good fit and finish are central. All of that together, and you're looking at a fairly expensive knife. The thing is, I know exactly what I want, and at this point, I don't have to fret about buying multiple expensive knives. I only buy one folding knife design, and have no inclination to buy any others on the market right now.

Then there's the collectors. Sky's the limit here. These people love steel for its own sake, and love to see it dressed up. Aesthetics gets a mention here, where it's generally less important in other categories, secondary to the utility of the knife. Now you're buying knives for their own sake, not as tools, but as things that you love. Which, let's be honest, we all probably have a little of this. This is the person who will happily buy a 10K dollar custom and never be unhappy about it. When you're shelling out that much money, you're probably getting exactly what you want. However, since you're not using the knife as a knife, you don't have to worry about finding that perfect knife for you. You can just buy things that catch your eye (assuming your pocketbook will support such behavior).

So to answer your question, it's all about what knives mean to YOU. Are you the "I'm on a budget and just want something to get the job done" type? Are you the "I want the perfect carry knife for me that I can love every time I use it, because I want that perfect cutting experience?" Or are you "I just love knives, and want to collect things that I want?" Or something in between 1 and 2? Eg, I'm still looking for the perfect knife, and don't really know what I want (that's the sort of person who keeps buying 50-150 dollar knives to try out different features).

Sure, there can be diminishing returns, but that's entirely dependent on where and what you place value upon on your knives. Value is entirely a matter of perspective to the individual, and depends on individual biases. There's no one knife that will be perfect value for every person. For instance, CRK's are nice knives, but I already know they're not for me. Handled them on numerous occasions, and they just aren't right for me. But then, I'm not a collector, and a CRK is probably a good thing to have in a collection. Ball's in your court. What do you want out of the knife? Is it a good fit for you? If so, then it's probably going to be worth the money. Are you buying it just because it's well-liked by other people, but it's not really a good fit? Then I'd stay away.
 
I think realistically I know what I want - a Benchmade mini-grip that with the tiniest bit of lube flip at the pivots opens with a thumbstud just like that and smooth as butter...BUT looks and feels like a CRK small Sebenza...I've been eyeballing Alias' this weekend, but short of buying one am not sure where I can get my hands on one. That's at least what I'm looking for right now. Not having touched a CRK I don't know if that is for me either but I sure do like the overall from what I've seen online.
 
I LOVE the concept of diminishing returns and use it all the time in my thinking. With that said, my most expensive folder is almost $2,000.
To me, in almost anything I buy it's more about my concept of value, will I use it? how much will I use it? will I get my worth out of the item.
My preference is to have fewer items of high quality and things that are not so common.
 
Yup, I love that AXIS, but we're somewhat limited in what we can get. Rift or gold-class BM are what we're stuck with for that for now. There's also the Spyderco BBL, and the bolt-action lock that you can look at. My dream knife would be a Darrel Ralph custom gun hammer with Chad Nichols SS damascus san mai with M390 core, bolt-action lock, and Maxx Glide bearing system. Can't say as how I can think of anything with that lock style and blade/handle design.

Your best bet might be a Ritter mini-grip with custom scales (Cuscadi, for instance).
 
I'd say around $100-$200. An s30v blade by CRK isn't going to cut better than S30v by Spyderco for example. Once you pass the $200 mark you are mostly paying for craftsmanship and manufacturing quality, not performance.
 
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I think that Diminishing Returns kicks in after the $60 you can get a Spyderco Endura for. It really is the most usability I've seen, for each dollar spent, in a knife. I've spent more, but have yet to find a knife I can do more with.

Any more than that, and I'm paying for fancy super steel blades and interesting handle materials and finely fitted but gimmicky locks, but none of them cut better than the FFG Endura.

On the used market what would be an example of a super $100 to $200 knife that would just be a no brainer in terms of value? Knives with no lock up or blade play, issues w/ quality control

Al Mar SERE 2000! I got my first one recently, and it locks up as tight as possible, with zero play in any direction. I've had bad experiences with liner locks in the past, but this one is perfectly fitted, with no "stickiness" when disengaging the lock, like a custom. Truly an impressive and underappreciated knife. You can find them for $170.
 
For both folders and fixed blades I say about $150. I no longer own knives over that price point.
 
I've had this same comment posted a few times already my only problem is that would mean I pretty much have three mini grips! That would take the fun out of the whole finding knives with the least margin of diminishing returns! I also LOVE the concept too and use it in everything I do as a matter of personal decision making reasoning. Don't get me wrong I really like mini grips! I was kinda eh on them until just last weekend I had some liquid bike lube lying around and for giggles I threw some into the pivot of the mini grip and something magical happened. I kept on wondering my knife's screws had loosened when I was doing some gardening and only realized after inspection that it was the lube. I feel like a quick draw Samurai whipping the blade out now...

Yup, I love that AXIS, but we're somewhat limited in what we can get. Rift or gold-class BM are what we're stuck with for that for now. There's also the Spyderco BBL, and the bolt-action lock that you can look at. My dream knife would be a Darrel Ralph custom gun hammer with Chad Nichols SS damascus san mai with M390 core, bolt-action lock, and Maxx Glide bearing system. Can't say as how I can think of anything with that lock style and blade/handle design.

Your best bet might be a Ritter mini-grip with custom scales (Cuscadi, for instance).
 
For both folders and fixed blades I say about $150. I no longer own knives over that price point.

That is my LOW price-point. I never consider anything cheaper...unless it's used. My favorite "used" ones at $150 would be Techno's, PM2's, and Gayle Bradley's. I guess that makes me a spyder freak.

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Well I'd never seen it before but my kids were watching this thing "Dual Survivor" and there's this barefooted guy that lives off the land in all kinds of places and all he's got is a Mora #1 which is about $10. One could argue that return is all downhill from there. Of course, 209 years ago, had Lewis and Clark brought along a barrel of Mora #1 knives, they'd have gotten a horse apiece from the Indians in the Rocky Mountains.

But I think the "return" side of the equation. There are people who buy $400 Sebenzas and are not impressed given their high price (it's hard to imagine not admiring the thing as a piece of craftsmanship). There are people who buy them and spend countless joyful hours doing nothing but fondling them. Then there are those that both use them and admire them. On the flip side, somewhere out there are legions of people who have the same feelings of appreciation and even joy at the sight of their Mora or Opinel knives.

So I don't think you can define a point. What I can say with much certainty is that you can absolutely buy yourself a knive that will serve you long and well for less than $100...easy with much to choose from.
 
Same here. Very well put.

I LOVE the concept of diminishing returns and use it all the time in my thinking. With that said, my most expensive folder is almost $2,000.
To me, in almost anything I buy it's more about my concept of value, will I use it? how much will I use it? will I get my worth out of the item.
My preference is to have fewer items of high quality and things that are not so common.
 
I don't have ulra expensive or custom knives. However, I do know that the knives I have will probably outlast me (unless I do something stupid). For example, I recently tried as hard as I could to destroy my Mora. I don't think I could have without doing something so outlandish that it put me in harm's way. A folder is a cutting or piercing tool, and I think my 60 dollar Native will be able to cut and pierce to my needs for a lifetime. Yeah, if I go into the military or law enforcement I may buy something a bit more hefty. But I think unless you demonstrate that you will really be pushing the limits of a(ny) folder, then 50-200 dollars will get the job done (as long as you go with a good manufacturer).

I do understand some people want something that is art as well as a tool, which is how I see crk etc. But if you are looking for a knife as a knife I stand by that range.
 
For me, it's about $120. When I spend more than that, I'm generally getting less and less (at least in my observation) of quality, F&F, and materials. Less than that and I'll be getting materials I don't like as much - like frn instead of g10 or aus8 instead of s30v.

BUT

I've got a couple of CRKs, a TSF, a Southard, a Nyala, etc., but the "return" I'm getting on those knives is entirely subjective to me. I know there's a value to that and obviously I spent the money on them.
 
That would be based more on a person's budget and or what they can really afford to buy than the knives really.

For some it would be $5, others could be $10,000 or more or anything in between.

Same as pretty much anything else people would buy...
 
Id say after $75-130 street price(meaning suggested retail of $100-200 id guess) depending on sales and discounts. I think you can get a VERY WELL made type of knife that will last a lifetime out of some of the best steels available. Once you start again IMO paying more than that its just for a name,COLLECTORS value because of rarity or limited editions, or because they are customs or again low availability or one offs...I dont collect so thats why I cap all my knife purchases at $125($150 tops and it would be my "most expensive knife ever bought" type of deal) or less...I dont think you get a better knife after that I just think your then looking at a knife thats more a collector/work of "art"/rare than it is truly better made.

And since I dont collect the more expensive ones while they ARE great, look cool, are just nothing I will ever own as Im not WILLING to pay to get into that kind of thing.
 
And since I dont collect the more expensive ones while they ARE great, look cool, are just nothing I will ever own as Im not WILLING to pay to get into that kind of thing.

Yeah, i thought the same 100 posts ago in this forum. While i dont (yet) own any knives over the 125 mark i have no doubt that i will someday go waaaaay beyond that mark.
 
It's a progressive disease. You start thinking that $200 for a folder is insane. A couple years later and you're carrying a $800 knife....
 
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