ATR Titanium vs. Mini Skirmish

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lukaszki

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any users of both mentioned folders? which one would you choose regardless of price? Which one would you choose considering the price difference? Please help me! I like the Spyderco a little bit more and I need a decent medium sized edc folder
 
I'd go mini Skirmish , much cleaner design , and the lock is easier to manipulate . I'm not a fan of the ATR , I dont like the ergos or bladeshape/grind .
 
cdf said:
I'd go mini Skirmish , much cleaner design , and the lock is easier to manipulate . I'm not a fan of the ATR , I dont like the ergos or bladeshape/grind .
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Same here. :D
 
The comp. lock is better than a framelock IMO, the ergos on the ATR rock, and I like the looks and grind better. There was a Ti ATR passaround a while back that I was in and I was very impressed with the ATR!
 
I've heard that ATR is the best made Spyderco to date, but is it worth 50$ over the Skirmish? Guess not but I can't stop to think of ATR in my hand... :)
 
I wouldn't want to drag either one of these behemoths around for fear it might pull my pants down. Go with the lighter one.
 
i got the full size skirmish in jan '05, was skeptical about the ATR for the $$, swapped for a SS ATR which i had problems with had to send to spyderco to fix them, and ended up liking the SS version so much i got the ti version a few months ago, its been my EDC since, really like the lock/ergos/steel and it carries well also. keep in mind i carry the ATR instead of a emerson specwar CQC8, pat crawford perfigo or extrema ration fulcrum, impressive imho.

the skirmish just went into the collection, carried a time/2 only, ok knife but dont like the pocket clip nor its being tip down, very very much prefer the SS ATR to the skirmish, not to mention the S30V ti version.

have not seen a mini skirmish, but i would think it would be the same story.

most folks who dis the ATR havent actually handled one,seen pics only, its great in the hand, again 10X better than the skirmish imho.
 
Knife Outlet said:
I wouldn't want to drag either one of these behemoths around for fear it might pull my pants down. Go with the lighter one.
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Behemots? I'm looking for something lighter than my current EDC - Chinook II and both seem to fit me well.

what about SS ATR? is it nearly as good as Titanium? I can stand vg10 instead of S30v (considering SS is half the price of titanium version) but I like much more the flat ground on S30v then hollow on Vg10 - why both of them aren't flat? Also I expect compression lock to work better in titanium than stainless, is thit true? And what about fit and finish in the SS, is it as good as in the Titanium ATR?

Which one to buy?
- ATR Titanium
- ATR Stainless
- Mini SKirmish

thanks for response

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on Spyderco site stays that ATR Titanium has hollow ground also, but i looks like a flat...
 
Slvgx said:
The comp. lock is better than a framelock IMO, the ergos on the ATR rock, and I like the looks and grind better. There was a Ti ATR passaround a while back that I was in and I was very impressed with the ATR!
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The ATR has a frame lock, Spydeco just calls it a Compression lock. The same way Benchmade calls theirs a Monolock.
 
Knife Outlet said:
I wouldn't want to drag either one of these behemoths around for fear it might pull my pants down. Go with the lighter one.
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The 635 is actually quite light, only 3.9 Oz.
 
I currently have a Mini Skirmish and I really like it. The ATR does beat when it comes to ease of opening. The Cobra Hooded hole on the ATR is much easier to work thatn the tiny hole on the Mini Skirmish.
 
The ATR does NOT have a frame lock. It has an integral compression lock.
The concept of the compression lock is actually completely different from a frame lock. The direction of the forces that act are different by 90 deg. and the load carrying elements are different aswell. If you do a search for compression lock you will find some pretty nifty drawings by dialex that illustrate the difference.
 
LT, That picture is of an integral compression lock, not a frame lock. They share some of the same principles, such as the locking leaf being cut from the frame itself, but there are important differences in the compression lock and frame lock. You'll want to look at a design drawing to see why. The differences look minor, but IMO are important ... the compression lock is a giant leap over a liner lock, and the integral compression lock is an advantage over a framelock, IMO.

Joe
 
lukaszki said:
I like much more the flat ground on S30v then hollow on Vg10 - why both of them aren't flat?
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It's less expensive to do a hollow grind. I imagine Spyderco was sparing no expense for the titanium version, but trying to get the stainless version down to a reasonable pricepoint.

Joe
 
If you are seriously considering the ATR Ti, I would act fast, since, as far as I know, the Ti version has already been discontinued or is about to be. ;)
 
knifenerd said:
If you are seriously considering the ATR Ti, I would act fast, since, as far as I know, the Ti version has already been discontinued or is about to be. ;)
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shhhh... not so loud... :)
 
the diff between the SS and the ti ATR is:

*ss vs ti handles - the ti handles are a tad thicker &only 4 holes drilled, the SS handles have several more holes drilled probably 4 large and 8 small IIRC. the ti handles have more of a matte finish vs the SS shiny handles. lockup once spydie did some work on the SS version, was excellent on both.

*VG10 vs S30V blade, the grinds are the same(or are they, i outta go look)

is the ti worth the extra $$? was for me, but i'm a knifenut so i wanted the best one and wasnt worried about the extra $$ once i figured out how much i liked the SS version. the SS is perfectly servicable, imho, thinner, weight is pretty close, so while i prefer the ti the only real advantage is the S30V steel, which is pretty good, but VG10 isnt bad either. just depends on if ya wanna spend the extra $$.

honestly prefer the SS ATR to the skirmish myself, not even close.

also both carry very well, and are far from'behemoths' lol, i was packing a ER fulcrum before i got into the ATRs so they both seem lite to me, far far from' behemoths'. try a fulcrum, or a buck/strider 880, cuda maxx, or a ....
 
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