Attitudes and the knives

[sns3guppy]

I don't believe I've started a thread here before, but this recent ending to the "disappointed" thread is truly impressive. A childish rant. This is a forum about Emerson knives, thus a rant about what Emerson personally believes is somewhat misplaced, albeit remotely relevant as a tangent. When the original poster didn't hear what he wanted to hear, however...a childish "I'm taking my ball and going home" post was made, and the thread closed. Truly disappointing. So much for rational discussion and intelligent thought.

Emerson knives remain Emerson knives regardless of Emerson's personal affections. If someone absolutely can't live with his attitude, then so be it. I won't buy a Dalton knife, quite frankly, because of his white supremacy leanings. I don't care how good a product me may make. I absolutely won't buy them.

There's a far cry between one who spreads hatred and anger, like Dalton, and one who holds a personal opinion such as Emerson. Furthermore, Emerson's message isn't one of hatred, but one of caution.

For those who sit on their high horses and preach tolerance (I fully subscribe to tolerance, tempered with knowledge and experience), how many of you have ever spent time in, or lived in a fully Islamic culture? Until you have, until you've been there and done that, then you really ought not talk about that which you do not know.

Most importantly of all, you really ought not condemn those of us who have spent considerable time in such places, as biased, prejudiced, or as speaking without a leg on which to stand. Take a look in the mirror, don't pass up a perfectly good opportunity to keep quiet, go get experience before you speak, and be sure to take that Emerson out of your pocket and cast it aside if you really feel that strongly. I seriously doubt that Emerson will care, and you can bet it's not going to put a crimp in sales.

 

[Bimmer1]

Doesn't this all really show how divided human beings are when it comes to ideas and beliefs. As I stated in the original thread. There is no such thing as truw tolerance. If you were truly tolerant then you wouldn't have to keep ranting over and over again about someone elses intolerance and continually showing your own intolerance.

These issues have never been solved and apparently buying a particular brand of knife is much like buying a certain brand of motor oil......... Ford vs. Chevrolet, my religion is better than your religion, and you are liberal and I am conservative.

What can we do? That's why friendship, marriage, and any relationship is based upon like mindedness and degrees of compatibility. Birds of a feather.........................

I felt like debating the point much more than I did but in the end I decided that it wasn't going to make much difference. My involvement with the church over the years on many, many levels has taught me much about debate and human nature. I have lost much interest in the common debates and intetrests of the church these days.

But..............I do believe Jesus said, "Do not cast your pearls before swine". Meaning............ don't waste your breath debating with someone that only wants to argue their point but has no intention of learning from someone who had a different perspective.

Their are open minded people who argue yet want to learn the truth and their are closed minded people who argue for the sake of arguing. I'm sure we can all learn something but most of us are not willing. I suppose that is also human nature. Pride!!!!

I'm happy to see Mr. Emerson post today. He normally does not respond to such things but I believe there is a time for silence and a time to finally say, "Enough is enough!"

It has been pointed out that this is why the United States cannot seem to ever win a Ryder Cup golf event against the Europeans. It's interesting that the U.S. never seems to click as a team but the Europeans (who have a much broader background as individuals and who come from several different countries) manage to set aside their differences and come together almost every time the event is played and form a strong bond and get the job done. Perhaps this is a problem we have in the U.S. in general. Who knows????

 

[hoopster]

Tolerance is a bad thing when you tolerate wrong doings. If my brother drinks excessively every night, even if he is hurting no one else. It would be wrong for me to tolerate it if he's clearly harming himself.
People that claim tolerance is love fail to see that sometimes loving one another means not tolerating certain things.

 

[Bimmer1]

Exactly!!!! There comes a time when you have to protect what is worth preserving in your own country just like in your own household or family. If you don't then one day you might wake up and find it "gone"!

Australia seems to try to protect what it has to some extent.

Maybe I am wrong ............but I just have this feeling that we haven't seen the worst of what is going to happen yet. I think there is "more the come folks".

Are all Muslims bad people? Are all Christians good people? No one can answer that question. In order to say "All Muslims are bad" you would have to personally know every Muslim that ever existed. The same would go for Christians. You would not only have to know every one that ever existed but you would have to know their hearts and minds and understand what they believed and lived each and every day.

So...........making these blanket statements that "all" or "every" person with such beliefs is bad is not a verifiable claim. I think it's the agenda and the teachings of radical leaders in any group or religion that makes it bad or questionable. Are "all" Muslim women bad? I don't know.............if we could ask the ones who have been abused or beheaded I think they might enlighten us. Then again........how many Christian men are wife beaters or child molestors. There is bad in every good.

It's when the bad starts to outweigh the good that we need to stop ignoring it and wake up before it continues to progress into something worse.

 

[sns3guppy]

Tolerance has nothing to do with accepting wrong. It never did.

One who believes otherwise never understood tolerance.

 

[hoopster]

Tolerance has nothing to do with accepting wrong. It never did.

One who believes otherwise never understood tolerance.

:thumbdn: Tolerate homosexuality, tolerate abortion, tolerate radical Islam. Yeah, it has nothing to do with accepting wrong.

 

[FEDKNIFELOVER]

:thumbdn: Tolerate homosexuality, tolerate abortion, tolerate radical Islam. Yeah, it has nothing to do with accepting wrong.

You have no idea what I have been stating, have you? Have you or anyone else even read my responses?

The bias in this situation is coming from you. Wrong is wrong. If you break the law, then you are wrong. If you hate someone because of their faith or sexual orientation, then you are wrong. If you tolerate evil doers, then you are wrong. If you make statements, like all Muslims are the same, then you are wrong. there are no absolutes in life, period!

it is okay to love this country and want to see it protected (I do with a vengeance), but when you fall into the trap of labeling people, then you have a problem.

I have not said that it is wrong to be VERY conservative. I have not said it is wrong to be VERY liberal either. But it is wrong to be hypocritical.

As far as knives and Mr. E's opinions, they are an intrigal part of EKI. I respect this aspect of Mr. E. He practices what he preaches, even if what he preaches is extremely biased, and thereby, by definition, flawed.

Judge people by their actions, not by a few passages from a book that many of you have not even read. I have visited the Middle East a lot. There are people who are evil there, just as there are people who are extremely kind and thoughtful. No one is apologising for their religion, it does not need apologising. EVERY religion has issues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bimmer1]

So what you want Mr. Emerson to do is not use the word Muslims to decribe all Muslims. You prefer for him to use the words radical Muslim extremists or terrorists to categorize the people he is referring to as not to stereotype the innocent and good people who call themselves Muslims yet are peaceful in their beliefs ???????

 

[hoopster]

You have no idea what I have been stating, have you? Have you or anyone else even read my responses?

The bias in this situation is coming from you. Wrong is wrong. If you break the law, then you are wrong. If you hate someone because of their faith or sexual orientation, then you are wrong. If you tolerate evil doers, then you are wrong. If you make statements, like all Muslims are the same, then you are wrong. there are no absolutes in life, period!

it is okay to love this country and want to see it protected (I do with a vengeance), but when you fall into the trap of labeling people, then you have a problem.

I have not said that it is wrong to be VERY conservative. I have not said it is wrong to be VERY liberal either. But it is wrong to be hypocritical.


As far as knives and Mr. E's opinions, they are an intrigal part of EKI. I respect this aspect of Mr. E. He practices what he preaches, even if what he preaches is extremely biased, and thereby, by definition, flawed.

Judge people by their actions, not by a few passages from a book that many of you have not even read. I have visited the Middle East a lot. There are people who are evil there, just as there are people who are extremely kind and thoughtful. No one is apologising for their religion, it does not need apologising. EVERY religion has issues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What I am saying is tolerance should not be the religion that so many are making it out to be. I have never said all Muslims are bad and I have never said I hate liberals. I do think Islam is wrong and I do think liberals are wrong. There is a big difference.
Liberals worship at the alter of tolerance. They try to define the opposite of tolerance as hate. That's just not true. I just want folks to see it for what it is.

 

[FEDKNIFELOVER]

So what you want Mr. Emerson to do is not use the word Muslims to decribe all Muslims. You prefer for him to use the words radical Muslim extremists or terrorists to categorize the people he is referring to as not to stereotype the innocent and good people who call themselves Muslims yet are peaceful in their beliefs ???????

hUH!!!!!!!!!!! I expect you to call the terrorists buy their name, terrorists!!!! They happen to come in all shapes, sizes, and religions!!!!!

 

[hoopster]

hUH!!!!!!!!!!! I expect you to call the terrorists buy their name, terrorists!!!! They happen to come in all shapes, sizes, and religions!!!!!

I don't think anyone would argue against that.

 

[FEDKNIFELOVER]

What I am saying is tolerance should not be the religion that so many are making it out to be. I have never said all Muslims are bad and I have never said I hate liberals. I do think Islam is wrong and I do think liberals are wrong. There is a big difference.
Liberals worship at the alter of tolerance. They try to define the opposite of tolerance as hate. That's just not true. I just want folks to see it for what it is.

How is Islam and Liberals wrong and you are right? I don't advocate for any side buddy, just statements and actions that go against the tenants of this country's founding documents.

I personally disagree with both sides on a number of issues. But you know what they say about opinions. My probably is with you and the other people stating things as FACT (All Muslims believe this, or this group of people are like that), when it is impossible to know with any certainty that what you are saying is true. That is all I have ever said, that is fact!

 

[hoopster]

How is Islam and Liberals wrong and you are right?

We don't need to get into Islam's treatment of women or any of that. Nor do I wish to discuss how Liberals would like to replace my freedom with their version of social utopia.
I don't think we're going to get anywhere with this conversation so I'll let the rest of you hash it out. I've stated my position.
God Bless.

 

[FEDKNIFELOVER]

We don't need to get into Islam's treatment of women or any of that. Nor do I wish to discuss how Liberals would like to replace my freedom with their version of social utopia.
I don't think we're going to get anywhere with this conversation so I'll let the rest of you hash it out. I've stated my position.
God Bless.

Is that Islam or merely countries with subversions of the Islamic religion? I have been to Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, Jordan to name a few. Women are treated differently there, than in Iran, Saudia Arabia, etc. Just stating facts here.

This is my last post here. For every statement I make, someone will try come up with another counter statement. You can label me a Liberal if you wish. Although I am probably more conservative than many of you (my opinion).

 

[glockednlocked]

Hmm how even to respond. I will only say vote with your $ if you support all that is good and right about America support a great American company and buy great knives from a great American like Emerson. If you are anti American go buy a chinese knife and support china. I cant help but think of the Emerson knife taken from a (I fear in the minds of some here a peace loving sweet and fuzzy) insurgant in afganistan by one of our great American soldiers. I fear that knife started out in the pocket of a true American hero who may have lost it losing his life protecting our way of life. I know Mr. Emerson was glad to see it back in the hands of right and freedom. If I were Mr. Emerson I would rather not see one of my knives in the pocket of some of you. He sells plenty of knives to those who stand for freedom and justice. He dosnt need the buisness of terrorists and their supporters.

 

[stabman]

. He sells plenty of knives to those who stand for freedom and justice. He dosnt need the buisness of terrorists and their supporters.

Dumbest, most insulting post yet.:thumbdn:

 

[EricV]

We might need another mod for the forum. This stuff is getting out of hand and out of place, come on just start it up in whine and cheese, leave the knife forums for the knives guys.

 

[sns3guppy]

Tolerate homosexuality, tolerate abortion, tolerate radical Islam. Yeah, it has nothing to do with accepting wrong.

What has radical Islam to do with Islam? You're going to condemn Islam because or radicals?

You're going to condemn tolerance because of abortion?

You're going to condemn tolerance and Islam because there is homosexuality in the world?

You're far afield. Homosexuality has never been the cause of terrorist acts, though those who rail against abortion are frequently involved in bombings and other acts of domestic terrorism.

Tolerance has nothing to do with accepting a wrong. If you deem something wrong, then you need not tolerate it.

Tolerance is about accepting differences, including differences of opinion, and getting along. That's tolerance.

Tolerance does not mean accepting homosexuality if you find it offensive. You have the right, insofar as your first ammendment rights will allow you to go, to speak out against it. The same goes for abortion, and you have the same right to rally to revisit Roe vs. Wade on the issue if you like.

Mr. Emerson has every right to express his own opinions and views, particularly on the platform of his own web site, as these are guaranteed under the First Ammendment to the Constitution of the United States. Doubtless you're familiar.

Those who believe tolerance has something to do with accepting wrong, do not understand tolerance.

 

[hoopster]

What has radical Islam to do with Islam? You're going to condemn Islam because or radicals?

You're going to condemn tolerance because of abortion?

You're going to condemn tolerance and Islam because there is homosexuality in the world?

You're far afield. Homosexuality has never been the cause of terrorist acts, though those who rail against abortion are frequently involved in bombings and other acts of domestic terrorism.

Tolerance has nothing to do with accepting a wrong. If you deem something wrong, then you need not tolerate it.

Tolerance is about accepting differences, including differences of opinion, and getting along. That's tolerance.

Tolerance does not mean accepting homosexuality if you find it offensive. You have the right, insofar as your first ammendment rights will allow you to go, to speak out against it. The same goes for abortion, and you have the same right to rally to revisit Roe vs. Wade on the issue if you like.

Mr. Emerson has every right to express his own opinions and views, particularly on the platform of his own web site, as these are guaranteed under the First Ammendment to the Constitution of the United States. Doubtless you're familiar.

Those who believe tolerance has something to do with accepting wrong, do not understand tolerance.

First off, I never said homosexuality was the cause of terrorism. Nor did I say Islam and homosexuality have anything to do with one another. I don't know where you're getting some of this but frankly your post makes you seem really mixed up.
So you're saying tolerance is accepting differences but not accepting wrong. That doesn't make sense if I think you're difference of opinion leads to a moral wrong.
Take the case of abortion. One person may not think it's wrong. It's even legal. Another may think it is wrong, in fact evil. Should I then take a permissive, tolerant attitude towards abortion? The answer is no.
Should I be hateful and violent towards those people? The answer is also no.

tol·er·ance
   /ˈtɒlərəns/ Show Spelled[tol-er-uhns] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.
2.
a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own.

Here's a very good dissertation on the "Tolerance paradox".
http://www.spectacle.org/0607/yoav.html

And then, of course there's this:
1 Timothy 6:3-5
If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.

I'm out. Can you tolerate that?
Take care!

 

[hoopster]

We might need another mod for the forum. This stuff is getting out of hand and out of place, come on just start it up in whine and cheese, leave the knife forums for the knives guys.

You're absolutely right. This would be acceptable in political or whine/cheese but has gotten out of hand for a manufacturer's forum and I for one apologize. It can be easy to forget where you are once immersed in a topic. If I could lock this one I would.