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I've read that some states allow you to carry if switchblade if you have a concealed-weapons permit. How can I find out of Colorado is one of those?

As an aside, I asked an off-duty officer about my mini-reflex at a party one night, and she said cops wouldn't hassle me over it. I don't know if they'd have more of an issue with an Al Mar auto SERE.

Mike
 
Do a web search for the Colorado Attorney General's office. Most state's AGs have a website with a compendium of law online.
If so, it should be searchable.
Search for,
Switchblade
Concealed Carry
Knife
Blade
etc...
and you should find what you're looking for


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ken Cook:
Do a web search for the Colorado Attorney General's office.
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Did some searches. Found a nice summary at http://www.amatecon.com/switchblade.html. I also found out a "concealed" knife with a blade length >3.5" is a class-5 felony....

Is it "concealed" if the pocket-clip is clearly visible?

Mike
 
That depends on both the arresting officer and the Judge.
There have been several cases where the officer made the bust and at Pre-lim, the Judge asked how the arresting officer knew the accused was carrying the knife.
It's at this point the LEO says, "Well, I saw clipped to his pocket."
The Judge then says, "Then it wasn't concealed was it?" and dismisses the case.
It's happened, but don't COUNT on it happening.
Know-whut-ah-mean?
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Tráceme no sin la razón, envoltura mi no sin honor
Usual Suspect
 
BTW...
Let me recommend the Emerson CQC7B.
With the Wave function, it's actually FASTER than an automatic, and with the 3.3 inch blade you're cool as far as legal length goes. I bought one for that very reason.
(Still carry the Commander though.)
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Good knife, small package.


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Tráceme no sin la razón, envoltura mi no sin honor
Usual Suspect
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ken Cook:
BTW...
Let me recommend the Emerson CQC7B.
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I've kinda wanted to get one of those concealed weapons permits anyway. Seems a _little_ bit silly to get one for a 3.6" knife -vs- a 3.5" knife, but what the heck.

I hope to see an Emerson with the wave feature at the gun show Saturday.

Mike
 
You have to be a bit careful. A handful of states will issue qualified citizens a "Concealed weapons permit/license" that is very broad and includes knives. Most states issuing permits/licenses are issuing a "Concealed firearm/handgun permit/license" which does not extend to knives at all.

I know. It makes no sense that you can carry around a .50 Desert Eagle but not a 3" auto knife. But, that's the way it works in most states.

Furthermore, in many states, carrying that 3" auto knife is a "weapons-related offense". Generally, conviction on any "weapons-related offense" will result in revocation of your gun permit.


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[This message has been edited by Gollnick (edited 03-02-2001).]
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gollnick:
You have to be a bit careful. A handful of states will issue qualified citizens a "Concealed weapons permit/license" that is very broad and includes knives. Most states issuing permits/licenses are issuing a "Concealed firearm/handgun permit/license" which does not extend to knives at all.</font>


Thanks, yeah, you're right. Most of the doco I can find is for a handgun permit.

It does say the >3.5" knife law doesn't apply if you have a "permit" for it, but I haven't figured out how to get a knife permit -- handgun permit is EASY!

Mike

[This message has been edited by Michael_Aos (edited 03-02-2001).]
 
I think you should also know that as a police officer,I must tell you a persons character is considered heavily. As a collector of knives if I see a scumbag with a Spydie Ladybug I can charge him, on the other hand a "law abiding citizen" gets a lot more leeway.
Nick
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nick:
I think you should also know that as a police officer,I must tell you a persons character is considered heavily. As a collector of knives if I see a scumbag with a Spydie Ladybug I can charge him, on the other hand a "law abiding citizen" gets a lot more leeway.
Nick
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In other words, the law is what a fallible, occasionally irritable, and often less than entirely knowledgeable human being says it is, and not what the relevent statute was supposed to mean?
 
In other words, if you appear to be behaving responsibly, even though you are technically breaking the law, an officer may choose to ignore your illegal act. So, if you are demonstrating that you can be trusted with a potential weapon, you may just be given that trust. If you are running around threatening people with your knife for no reason, or something like that, you will be treated accordingly.

--JB

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I have to agree with Nick in that a person's character has alot to say when confronted by the law. Look at the scenario: A group of tough looking macho types are hanging around acting like fools and are approached by a law enforcement officer. As usually happens, these "tough guys" quickly get an attitude with the officer, and the officer notices that one of them is carrying a knife. What do you think the cop is going to do? Better yet, think of yourself as a cop. What would you do? The bottom line is if you are a law abiding citizen and are familiar with the knife laws in your area, and are not acting like a fool, you have nothing to worry about. Yes, there may be officers out there who are not knowledgable about knives and may give you a hard time regardless, but that's why we have courts to settle issues.
 
Obvious answers, guys. I knew all that already. Police are supposed to check up on scruffy looking people who are making noise and damaging property.

What about me, never made trouble, new kid in town with long hair and a beard? What about me, just passing through, out of state plates? What about me, told him, no, I'm not carrying weapons, but he doesn't like the two belt sheaths (one harmonica, one multitool)?

The reason laws are written in dense and finicky language is so that all citizens may know exactly what it is they can get away with, not what the nice officer on a good day will let slide. He's supposed to let slide whatever isn't illegal.

Do you really want a tiny knife to be a good excuse to bust anybody? Bad behavior is a valid reason to shut someone down, not what piece of otherwise legal equipment he happens to be carrying.
 
If one is a wisea$$, has an attitude problem, thinks everybody is picking on them or is on a "crusade" the road of life tends to be much bumpier then if one plays well with all the other children.

Moma taught me that in my dealings with other people (unless they are trying to assault me or someone else), I should be polite and show everyone respect. As for interacting with LEOs, I learned at an early age that those rules apply double.

The law is not exact science and it isn't applied in a laboratory. In the real world there is P/O's discretion and prosecutorial discretion in applying the law. And I disagree with the premise that laws are written in “dense and finicky language is so that all citizens may know exactly what it is they can get away with”. Generally the law is ambiguous, that is why we are up to our armpits in $@#*!* lawyers.

In the real world, if you take an attitude with an LEO you’re probably gonna go. That is how it has to be because you are showing disrespect to the office that the uniform represents. If the LEO lets you get away with that, your behavior will only get worse the next time you interact with a LEO.

If you are involved in a car stop, pull over as soon instructed to do so. Turn on the light in the car if it is night. Keep both hands on the top or the steering wheel as the officer approaches. Respond to instructions. Don’t make sudden movements. If you are going to reach into a glove compartment, or any where, ask permission (Officer/Trooper, my registration is in the glove compartment, may I get it?). Car stops, while daily, commonplace events, have great potential for danger. The P/O doesn’t know you are Joe good guy and he can not afford to assume that you are, until you demonstrate that you are.

Lastly, if one is a low-life mope I think jay-walking or subway turn-style jumping is good reason to bust them, and society is better off.

I have rambled. Forgive me folks…
 
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