auto's for cops & soldiers???

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loki88

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I have seen that in the States the automatic knives are only for sale to military-LEO. I think this is a "strange" way of thinking. Why would u as a cop or soldier want a noisy automatic knife? I think LEO or soldiers benefit from one- handerd openers, but an automatic knife makes more noise, is more fragile, might stop working under adverse fieldconditions, etc. What are the benefits? A few tenth of a second faster in opening? does this warrent the more mechanical complexity of the knife?
 
You're right, it doesn't make sense. You'll find that the average cop or soldier has little interest in knives at all, and those who do ordinarily choose something better suited to their needs than an auto.
 
The only possible reason for LE officers, soldiers, and firefighters (and possibly EMT's) to choose an auto (I think it has been posted here before so I'm not taking any credit) is that they may always wear gloves when on duty (definitely true for policemen and firefighters in this part of the world), and most knives are a PITA to open with moderately bulky gloves on.
 
Some soldiers do have an interest in knives, speaking for myself. Though, some of my buddies were issued auto knives, which they never used.
 
The laws restricting ownership or carry of any kind of knives are never based in reality. Many of these laws and the subsequent demonization of knives are rooted in reaction to fictional scenarios, not to the much more numerous and real responsible uses we do know about, and they should.

To allow security services to use a knife that ordinary citizens may not is to classify those ordinary citizens as unworthy of their own defense. But then, many jurisdictions in the US and around the world explicitly ban self-defense as a valid reason for carrying certain objects. I personally resent being told I must be a victim.
 
My guess would be that the laws were written at a time when autos were the only one handers in town.
 
loki88 said:
I have seen that in the States the automatic knives are only for sale to military-LEO. I think this is a "strange" way of thinking. Why would u as a cop or soldier want a noisy automatic knife? I think LEO or soldiers benefit from one- handerd openers, but an automatic knife makes more noise, is more fragile, might stop working under adverse fieldconditions, etc. What are the benefits? A few tenth of a second faster in opening? does this warrent the more mechanical complexity of the knife?
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Auto's are for sale to LE/Military through the mail only. In the state that I live in, you can buy autos over the counter. If you have warranty/repair issues, you just take the knife back to the store. Dealers are authorized to send it in to the manufacturer. I see your reasoning about autos and the military. I seriously believe that manufacturers use that as a marketing strategy.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
The laws restricting ownership or carry of any kind of knives are never based in reality. Many of these laws and the subsequent demonization of knives are rooted in reaction to fictional scenarios, not to the much more numerous and real responsible uses we do know about, and they should.

I personally resent being told I must be a victim.
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I'm an LEO and I can whole-heartedly agree with this. As we all know, an auto is no more or less deadly than an other knife. The approach of outlawing an inanimate object and letting the criminal user go with a slap on the wrist has never worked.

I'm not trying to go all political or anything, I just wanted to chime in. Many people think that LEO's have pushed for these things to be outlawed, i.e. auto knives, collapsible stocks, bayonet lugs :rolleyes: etc. I'm telling you for MOST leo's we think it's as ridiculous as everyone else.

Of course there are those exceptions, which unfortunately are the vocal minority...

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200%257E24781%257E2334862,00.html :barf:

edited to fix the link!
 
Esav Benyamin said:
The laws restricting ownership or carry of any kind of knives are never based in reality. Many of these laws and the subsequent demonization of knives are rooted in reaction to fictional scenarios, not to the much more numerous and real responsible uses we do know about, and they should.
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And when the law does absolutely nothing but deprive honest hardworking people, the people who wanted the original law call for even stricter laws to deal with their perceived problems. To quote, or at least paraphrase, Salvatore "Sammy the Bull" Gravano on gun ownership- "banning guns would be the best thing for me the government has ever done. I'll always have a gun, and honest people I victimize won't."

To allow security services to use a knife that ordinary citizens may not is to classify those ordinary citizens as unworthy of their own defense. But then, many jurisdictions in the US and around the world explicitly ban self-defense as a valid reason for carrying certain objects. I personally resent being told I must be a victim.
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The which the lunatics respond "that's what the police are for", even though the Supreme Court has ruled that it's not and even if it was it would still take 5 or more minutes for the police to respond. Even in the small town I'm from, or the one I went to college in, or the ones I'm familiar with, the police don't respond any faster than that. And it takes a lot less time than that to kill or seriously injure someone. But apparently those particular facts don't exist in La La Land where the people who want these laws apparently mentally live.
 
One handed opening, "intimidation factor" (scares the crackheads). And also, an auto can be opened just as quietly by placing your hand on the back of the blade when you open (don't try this with an otf). Plus they are just "bad".
 
If you were a bad guy that was going to attack someone unprovoked with a knife, wouldn't you open it first?
Then it wouldn't matter if it was a fixed blade, a queen slipjoint with a half stop, or an auto.
As far as the speed you can open the knife, I bet that no one here can open a microtech LCC as fast with the bolster release as by thumbing the blade out manually. (Or at least not any faster)
Auto openers were made "weapons of mass destruction" by hollywood, deeming them gang weapons of choice.
Only appropriate for the military or last ditch law enforcement protection.

Thus a cute novelty is outlawed for most of the country. The fact that you can legally carry auto openers in some states but not others only emphasizes how ridiculous the law is.

It wouldn't surprise me if the government outlawed wristwatches, as they can be used by terrorists to synchronize their attacks. :ox
 
i wrote this because i am a LEO myself, and think it's a VERY stupid rule, taken by people who don't know what they are talking about (called politicians). Remember the whole "Black Talon" hype? So they changed the name and the colour and everyone was happy. Saying that an auto has an intimidation factor is correct but not really for a cop or soldier. Whe carry MP5's and Glock 19 as our sidearms. If they don't get intimidated by those, how could an auto make any sense. The problem is that unless u have the intention to us the weapon, don't draw it. It looks very stupid to flick the knife open and then look like a fool when the perp says laughing " whacha gonna do cop, stab me?" I also think carrying something that automatic pops out a blade, either in front or on the side is a very stupid thing to carry in your pocket when u are wrestling a dopehead on the ground. :D
 
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