Axis lock vc. lock on Manix2 S90V

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laurin

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I'm wondering if these locks are the same? I know how Axis lock works, but not sure how works lock on Manix2 S90V. Is there ball pushing on back of the blade, vs. little roller on Axis the only difference?
Is there somebody who picked apart Manix2 S90V yet?
 
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I'm sure there's a little more to the design, but the axis binds the "roller" between the top of the blade tang and sloys cut into the steel liners and to ball lock seats a steel ball into a cutout in the blade tang. Both very good forms of locks and from Co.s that will warrenty any problems.
 
wwells20 said:
I'm sure there's a little more to the design, but the axis binds the "roller" between the top of the blade tang and sloys cut into the steel liners and to ball lock seats a steel ball into a cutout in the blade tang. Both very good forms of locks and from Co.s that will warrenty any problems.
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Good. The other difference is that AXIS locks use two omega springs to fire the lockbar and the BB lock uses a single coil spring to fire the ball.
 
Both are very good locks. The Manix 2 uses Spyderco's ball lock. It is somewhat similar to the AXIS, instead of the lock bar of an AXIS the ball lock has a ball bearing that rides on the tang of the knife. And instead of two omega springs to guide the locking mechanism the ball lock uses a coil spring. The method of use between the two is pretty much the same, with the ball lock having a little more tension behind it due to the coil spring.
 
I may add that the BM AXIS needs strong steel liners to secure the blade.
The Spyderco Ball Lock is designed in a way that it don't need the liners at all. So the knives can be lighter and equally strong.

Damn!
I neeed to get me one of these Manix!



BETO
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Sorry for my english :o
 
Preface: I love my axis locks and I love my S90V Manix.

Having said that - I don't think the caged ball lock is anywhere close to an axis in terms of smoothness of operation. I'd guess they are both plenty strong for what they do. The caged ball is much stiffer and more work to activate than any of my axis locks. It could be because it's a coil spring vs the omega spring - mine hasn't changed much after many, many openings. Once the lock is pulled back, they're both similar in terms of operation but the axis bar is easier to grab and easier to move.
 
I love the axis lock, dont like the ball lock. I find it too hard to engage and I dont like the plastic look it has on the manix
 
dalefuller said:
Good. The other difference is that AXIS locks use two omega springs to fire the lockbar and the BB lock uses a single coil spring to fire the ball.
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Actually, Sal told me a while back that the ball lock uses two coil springs, one inside the other. I don't know if that was retained on the caged ball lock, but I suspect it was. You can all gripe at me about the closed tension on the caged ball lock Manix 2, as I've been one of the most vocal complainers about tip up only knives with weak closed detents and little closing bias. The new Manix is the first ball lock knife that I actually feel comfortable with.

As has already been pointed out, the similarity between the two locks is superficial. They function quite differently. The Axis lock wedges a steel bar across the the tang and against the liners, the ball lock wedges a steel ball between the blade tang and a steel backspacer.

I love reading people complain about the "plastic" ball carrier on the caged ball lock. It reminds me of all the whining that went on about the "plastic" Glock frame when it came out.
 
yablanowitz said:
I love reading people complain about the "plastic" ball carrier on the caged ball lock. It reminds me of all the whining that went on about the "plastic" Glock frame when it came out.
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I wouldn't complain because it's not functional. I'd complain because I think it looks terrible, it feels terrible, and it doesn't match the high end materials and fit and finish of the rest of knife.
 
That's the part that makes me laugh. That "plastic" is a special polymer that is about as high end as you can get, much like the polymer in the Glock's frame.
 
"plastic" == "polymer". Some people may view one as better than the other but they are the same thing. I don't care if it's high end plastic, low end plastic, or somewhere in between. It may be the most expensive thing on the knife. It may be stronger than steel. However, I think that it looks cheap and it feels cheap, so it just doesn't fit w/ the rest of the knife.

Don't get me wrong - I like my Manix a lot - I wouldn't sell or trade it for anything. But if I had to pick one thing I'd change about that knife, it would be the material for the cage.
 
TD22057 said:
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The caged ball is much stiffer and more work to activate than any of my axis locks. It could be because it's a coil spring vs the omega spring - mine hasn't changed much after many, many openings. Once the lock is pulled back, they're both similar in terms of operation but the axis bar is easier to grab and easier to move.
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That characteristic can also be deemed a positive, since it reduces the chance of an inadvertent lock release.
 
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