Back Story: Ron Hood & Busse?

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I happened to be re-reading the thread on why people got interested in Busse in the first place and several people credited articles by Ron Hood in American Survival Guide as their impetus for getting interested in Busse http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196702&highlight=Hood.

In those articles Hood seemed to have nothing but praise for Busse, but now he either seems to avoid mentioning them or to have soured on them. [This is just my subjective impression from occasional visits to the Hoodlums forums].

Does anyone know the backstory on his change of heart? Is it a changed opinion on the knives themselves or is it personal? I'm curious to know the story because he is one of the few wilderness/survival gurus who recommends larger knives and I'd like to understand the shift reference Busses.
 
Why don't you email Ron? He is a very informative and I am sure you would get a better response from him rather than a bunch of hearsay from people who can only speculate.
 
Interesting....very interesting. Food for thought as it were...I'll have to keep it mind the next time I see something by Hood.
 
Move Over:) , thanks that pretty much answers my question. Sorry that's the reason, but I knew it couldn't be the knives.
 
The Back Story is between Ron and Jerry Should stay between them.

All the rest is just Mud slinging.

Talk to each of them if you feel a real need to stick a nose in.

I have heard both sides and think it best to give it a rest.
 
Regardless of the issue between Ron and Jerry, the article was a good one and it is too bad that it is no longer around, although I have it saved on my hard drive somewhere. The best part about the article was that ron had one of the blades Rc tested and the variance in Rc was amazingly low. That is what caught my eye.
 
Cobalt said:
Regardless of the issue between Ron and Jerry, the article was a good one and it is too bad that it is no longer around, although I have it saved on my hard drive somewhere. The best part about the article was that ron had one of the blades Rc tested and the variance in Rc was amazingly low. That is what caught my eye.
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Cobalt, the article is reproduced (scanned) in a recent thread here on BFC. If I find it I'll post a link.

It is on page three of this thread: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419443&highlight=Hood+Mistress
 
papathud said:
The Back Story is between Ron and Jerry Should stay between them.

All the rest is just Mud slinging.

Talk to each of them if you feel a real need to stick a nose in.

I have heard both sides and think it best to give it a rest.
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I think that is unnecessarily harsh. I hope someday to have a SH for a wilderness knife. I respect Ron Hood's knowledge. If he changed his opinion about the Steel Heart and Battle Mistress (which was public knowledge) for substantive reasons, I think it is fair to ask about it.

If it is the result of a personal issue, then I don't need to know the reasons, provided that it wasn't related to knife performance.

A blanket, "don't ask", is unfair to those of us who weren't around 10 years ago.
 
XMP said:
I think that is unnecessarily harsh. I hope someday to have a SH for a wilderness knife. I respect Ron Hood's knowledge. If he changed his opinion about the Steel Heart and Battle Mistress (which was public knowledge) for substantive reasons, I think it is fair to ask about it.

If it is the result of a personal issue, then I don't need to know the reasons, provided that it wasn't related to knife performance.

A blanket, "don't ask", is unfair to those of us who weren't around 10 years ago.
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The issue had nothing to do with knife performance, but had something to do with moral stance. You can search here all you want and get all the answers you need. But not Jerry or anyone in else in the know is obligated to tell you anything as it is their own issue. But suffice to say that it was not about the knife or knives.
 
I am saying that the back story is personal, and better to ask the people involved personally rather than read the Mud that got Published publicly.

I do not put my opinion, formed after asking either one of them up for Public consumption.

In the past a lot of dirt was thrown.

There is a time line of action to be looked at, there were base accusations made, in the end it was a personal thing, not a knife thing.

As a personal thing, the opinions of those not directly involved are just rumor and hearsay.

I like to think that this Forum is above that sort of behavior, Well I would like it to be.

You want to know why Ron did what He did, ask Ron, you want to know why Jerry does what Jerry Does, Ask Jerry.

Both have Publicly available Emails and Phone Numbers.

Edited to add, Look me up on the Hood forums, user name listed below, it is my real name.
I post in both places, just not on this Subject.

Andre DuMouchel
 
Fine, I wasn't interested in dredging up any mud on anyone. I'm perfectly satisfied knowing that it wasn't an issue related to knife performance.

Both Jerry and Ron are busy public people and don't have time or an obligation to answer the questions of someone they don't even know. I mostly just wanted to know if Ron's original recommendations regarding the Steel Heart as a great wilderness knife would still stand, even though he no longer talked about the knife. That issue has been cleared up to my satisfaction.

I can make my own determination on Jerry's character from the way he treats people on this forum and the way he runs his business:thumbup: .

I've already said that I respect Hood's knowledge from the things I've read and heard him say. If I didn't, I wouldn't care what he thought about knives.
 
the issue may be personal for some who post here, and some may still continue friendships with both.

that said, i think your questions were fair and honest and dont think there was any malicious intent nor were you attempting to dig up any dirt on anyone.
 
XMP said:
Fine, I wasn't interested in dredging up any mud on anyone. I'm perfectly satisfied knowing that it wasn't an issue related to knife performance.

Both Jerry and Ron are busy public people and don't have time or an obligation to answer the questions of someone they don't even know. I mostly just wanted to know if Ron's original recommendations regarding the Steel Heart as a great wilderness knife would still stand, even though he no longer talked about the knife. That issue has been cleared up to my satisfaction.

I can make my own determination on Jerry's character from the way he treats people on this forum and the way he runs his business:thumbup: .

I've already said that I respect Hood's knowledge from the things I've read and heard him say. If I didn't, I wouldn't care what he thought about knives.
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it wasn't a steel heart it was the SHBM that he tested and talked about.
 
Yes, but in the article I linked for you he already had a SH before he wrote about the BM, and from what I understand he used the SH in some of his early videos. I guess I took it for granted that his thoughts about the one carried over to the other.
 
XMP said:
I think that is unnecessarily harsh. I hope someday to have a SH for a wilderness knife. I respect Ron Hood's knowledge. If he changed his opinion about the Steel Heart and Battle Mistress (which was public knowledge) for substantive reasons, I think it is fair to ask about it.

If it is the result of a personal issue, then I don't need to know the reasons, provided that it wasn't related to knife performance.

A blanket, "don't ask", is unfair to those of us who weren't around 10 years ago.
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lol... dangit. I cant find an online qoutable source of the aliens qoute. "and we always get the same answer: don't ask"

essentially, when you get what is literally a "blanket answer" on any forum like that, meaning the majority of people tell you "don't ask" - its because it incited a flame war at some point.

If your willing to really drag the bottom of the forums lake so to speak by searches that use secondary and tertiary terms relating to the issue, you'll be able to find whatever you need to know regarding this topic. for the most part, they should stay at the bottom of the lake however, only to be found by the heartiest of lake draggers, and preferably in the middle of the night when no one else has to see it.

:D
 
Canary (not to threadjack here)... you'll have trouble finding that quote from Aliens because it was only used in the Director's Cut. All of the sequences of the pre-alien-invasion colony were cut from the theatrical release.

Cameron re-used the line, though, in Terminator 2, when the unnamed interny-looking guy asked the chip designer where they got the T-100 processor they were studying.

Life? What's that? Where would I find one?
 
XMP said:
Yes, but in the article I linked for you he already had a SH before he wrote about the BM, and from what I understand he used the SH in some of his early videos. I guess I took it for granted that his thoughts about the one carried over to the other.
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can you point me in the direction of where Ron hood said that. I can't find it anywhere
 
Cobalt said:
can you point me in the direction of where Ron hood said that. I can't find it anywhere
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Cobalt, I'm not sure which part of my post you are asking about. That Hood used a Steel Heart in some of his early videos is second hand info from posts in Wilderness & Survival on BF. That he had and used a Steel Heart is readily evident in the scanned article I linked for you above in Post #8 (it is in post 42 by John the Texican in that thread). It appears right in the pictures in the article.

If I'm missing the question you are asking, please clarify. Thanks.
 
Last Visible Canary said:
lol... dangit. I cant find an online qoutable source of the aliens qoute. "and we always get the same answer: don't ask"

essentially, when you get what is literally a "blanket answer" on any forum like that, meaning the majority of people tell you "don't ask" - its because it incited a flame war at some point.

If your willing to really drag the bottom of the forums lake so to speak by searches that use secondary and tertiary terms relating to the issue, you'll be able to find whatever you need to know regarding this topic. for the most part, they should stay at the bottom of the lake however, only to be found by the heartiest of lake draggers, and preferably in the middle of the night when no one else has to see it.

:D
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I may have to copy this and use it again (with you as the cited author! ;) )

You put that well... much better than I could. It is hard to get the point across on forums, since we are used to using a conversational tone that tends to rely on facial cues to decipher (hence, the emoticons.)

Seriously - that is a masterpiece! :thumbup:
 
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