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So I'm really just getting into using a backpack. But even after browsing around here, I realized that I still don't have much of an idea about how to do it properly for just going around town. I likely won't be needing a water purification straw or emergency blanket in town, but that doesn't leave me with much of an idea of what I really do need to be carrying with me. If anyone has some advice on what a daypack should contain under such situations I'd appreciate it.

Another question is just what a backpack should contain if it's ultimately left in the vehicle for when going out and about. If the overall weight isn't significant, should it be packed to work in conjunction with the EDC gear one carries, or should it be used for storing replacement important items should one lose them? Like knife, flashlight and multi-tool?
 
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I don't have as much experience with this as many other guys I'm sure... But as far as packing to work with edc, or pack to replace potentially lost items, think about how often you've lost an edc item. If its often, then by all keabs plan for that, personally, I haven't lost anything other than a own, so I wouldn't worry about it. Also, think about how far away you'll be from home, think of it like a mini get home bag. I would include some basic food, probably a whistle, writing utensils, maybe a small fixed blade (3-4") just in case, a flashlight (especially if you don't edc one, or just a bigger/higher powered one than edc), extra batteries for edc or said flashlight, a bandana is good, simply for wiping off sweat or if you needed to turnicate a wound, a simple first aid kit. I would probably keep a bit of water, like two water bottles with it.. And one thing many don't think of, if you get stranded, you may not be wearing great shoes for walking (I don't kniw what you do for work) but a good pair of tennis shoes, or whatever you feel most comfortable walking in. Just my ideas, hope it helps

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If you watch Walking Dead you may pickup a few urban survival tips. Two that I would share are: make sure you back pack has a waist strap. Carrying the weight on your hips is much less tiring than all on your shoulders. One item I suggest having is a small vice grip locking pliers. Useful for opening water spigots, cutting wire/fencing, and many wrenching/gripping tasks.
 
The Complete Walker by Colin Fletcher and Chip Rollins is an excellent resource, as are Fletcher's wonderful books on hiking the Grand Canyon and from Canada to Mexico along the Sierra Nevada mountains. There are plenty of other books on backpacking at your library or bookstore.
 
I use my backpack more for day hikes than around town but what really comes in handy is pretty basic. This is in addition to edc items that are in my pocket. The first two in this list being the most important IME.

water bottle
extra layers depending on the weather
small first aid kit(really just bandaids, bandana and duct tape)
I also have a microfiber towel that has come in handy. The smallest one will do.
compass
small eye dropper bottle of dr bonners soap

I've noticed that the vast majority of the other "survival gear" I carry never gets used.
Fire starters
whistle
paracord
tarp
sewing needle
water tabs
pruning saw
a few other odds and ends

My advice is to keep it as light as possible. Another poster recommends hip belts and if you like them great but IMO your "around town" pack should not be any where close to heavy enough to need them. If you're pushing 20 pounds reevaluate what you have in there. Another thing I recommend is to NOT fill the backpack. Leave room for something you may need to carry during your day that you weren't expecting.
 
Think of all the stuff that you might potentially need or find useful, make a price list, then just carry that much cash around in your sock. In an urban environment a bit of spare cash will get you as far if not further than a bag full of gear.

If you don't already have a good idea of what you'd want to carry, why bother with a backpack?

Otherwise I echo EXACTLY what shotgun says, down to the towel and soap, and empty room.

In line with that, take a look at the REI flash 18 as your pack. It's super small and lightweight.
 
If you are looking for an EDC bag, pick something in the 20L - 30L size. Anything larger is "3 day + Camping" sized.

Also pick something non-military so you "blend in/Gray man/look inconspicuous"

Something that looks like a Duluth but smaller [and perhaps cheaper]:

http://www.duluthpack.com/outdoor-gear/camping-hiking-gear/packs/wanderer-backpack.html

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First decide what it is you want to carry... then we can talk backpacks.

As others have stated your cash, phone, shoes, and clothes will get you further in an urban setting than anything you might keep in your pack. Bonus points if your phone is fully charged and has a flashlight on it.

You can cram as much stuff in your backpack as you want in the name of preparedness. It'll help justify all those late night amazon purchases if you can call it a survival kit. ;)

Here is crammed day pack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVkntkChnnM

Some want more, most want less. I have less on my person and more (in terms of volume, not capabilities) in my vehicle.

Ultimately it is up to you to decide what you carry and how you carry it. What are you preparing for?
 
Alright there's some very good advice in this thread, both on what's worth carrying, and what to carry it in.

What I did is probably make the classic mistake and got the pack first. In this case I went with something that I don't think sticks out like a 5.11 pack.



I have no idea how good it is in terms of quality, outside of the reviews I read on Amazon. Most of them were positive.

As to what's currently being carried at the moment. I've got a travel sized first aid kit, emergency rain poncho, small flashlight and extra batteries, glow stick, a travel sized pack of hand wipes, travel sized roll of gorilla tape, a set of work gloves, and my cellphone when I go out. Even with all of that there's still room for an insulated water bottle to travel.

As I said, the pack is mainly for carry around town, which is a semi-urban environment, intended for convenience when encountering a number of everyday occurrences. Surprise downpours, people getting hurt, someone in need of assistance, etc. That's where I'm running into trouble. There's plenty of information out there for what to pack when going on hikes outside of the urban area, or when having to evacuate from one location to another. But at the moment that's not what I'm trying to prepare for.
 
So I'm really just getting into using a backpack. But even after browsing around here, I realized that I still don't have much of an idea about how to do it properly for just going around town.

In general....

Spend enough for quality. Most cheaper backpacks are poorly made ripoff versions of real gear. Real gear costs money because it was designed by people who know what they're doing, made by people who know what they are doing, and backed up with a warranty. Maxpedition, Camelbak, SpecOps, ATS, Eagle, TAD, and others all make end-of-the-world ready gear that is far more enjoyable to use.

For a daypack, I never use one with a hip belt or overly padded straps. If you are loading up with so much weight that you need a hip belt or a lot of padding, just to use 'around town', you're doing it wrong. Most "hip belts" found on daypacks are just a non-padded piece of webbing, which does absolutely nothing to transfer any load to the hips, it's just another strap to be annoying and get in the way.

I avoid MOLLE webbing covered 'packs, they attract attention, add weight, and get caught on anything you walk past.

Another question is just what a backpack should contain if it's ultimately left in the vehicle for when going out and about. If the overall weight isn't significant, should it be packed to work in conjunction with the EDC gear one carries, or should it be used for storing replacement important items should one lose them? Like knife, flashlight and multi-tool?

EDC stuff can get lost or stolen, it never hurts to have a spare knife, flashlight, or whatever else goes in your pockets sitting ready in your 'pack. I always have a folding knife and a AAA flashlight clipped to my pockets, but still keep a spare blade (Leatherman Skeletool makes a great backup knife) and flashlight (Surefire EB1T) in my 'pack.

Here's my spare light and cutter, in a Maxpedition holder doohickey stuck to the flap of my small daypack:



My EDC backpack, that goes to work or on dayhikes or wherever I go, is small. It's an ATS 2.6 two tone that doesn't stand out in a crowd, is well designed and highly functional, and is on the small side. It's just big enough for a 1L Nalgene, lifestraw, hat, gloves, spare underwear/socks/t-shirt, sweater, snacks to last the day, and a trauma kit. It has shock cord on the outside to lash a jacket, and two rows of molle webbing on the bottom (where it isn't visible) to tie a sleeping pad or bag or whatever.

My lolsurvival gear fits into a Maxpedition Fatty Pocket Organizer. While everything in there gets used from time to time, none of it is constantly required. Most of it is pretty self-explanatory, except for the green match case which contains a pretty decent sewing kit. What is not shown in the picture is the contents of a pocket first aid kit in the zippered pocket on the right hand side, and the emergency pocket poncho on the left side. Here's the Fatty Organizer:



Hope that this helps!
 
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I keep a "get home bag" (GHB) in the car just in case I find myself needing to walk home, wait out a storm, etc. While it contains various survival-oriented items, possibly the most practical is a full change of clothes in case I either get drenched or need to add layers. All clothing articles are in ZipLoc bags.
 
A lot of it comes down to environment. In Calgary in winter I always had a pair of thick wool socks. Never knew when they would come in handy, and a few times they did.
Here in Aus, its always a buff or bandana, need to keep the sun off as much as possible. (as a backup to my hat)
My packs are a constant evolution. If I don't use something for a few months, it gets pulled out. If I find a could have used something, then I add it in. I don't like to spend money on simple things like water or a snack if I'm out and about, so I generally carry a waterbottle (easy to get filled anywhere) and a granola bar or something. Better than spending 5$ at a convenience store.

I have a "spare" light and knife (currently an E05mk2 and vic compact) but its more that I can leave the house with empty pockets and know I've got everything in the bag, so anything in my pockets is really the spare.

My first aid kits are based around lots of gloves. after that its whatever bandaids I might want for myself, but in an urban environment, I pretty well only need gloves until the ambulance guys can take over. And if the ambulance guys can't, well, I wasn't going to be able to carry enough to save you.

Lastly I have a big battery pack and cables for my phone, and for others. its a 5000mha which should give 2 or so full charges, but it means I can go without finding power for a couple of days if it came to that. But what it more means, is that if I've had to do some long nav with the GPS or whatever, I never stress over a sub 25% battery.


As for size, I would get a bag at least big enough to carry a raincoat of some sort or whatever outerwear you normally use. After that a few extras and go from there. a place like REI is a good place to start cheap, and if it works for you, then you will know where to go next. Otherwise a scottevest might just be your thing.
 
Finding items that combine utility always helps for preparedness-oriented gear.

For instance, if you're carrying a plastic emergency poncho, consider replacing it with a garbage bag instead. You can poke holes in it to use as a poncho or use it as, ya know, a bag.

Bandanas are another good one; they can be used as sun protection, handkerchief, towel, tourniquet, bandage, etc.
 
Finding items that combine utility always helps for preparedness-oriented gear.

For instance, if you're carrying a plastic emergency poncho, consider replacing it with a garbage bag instead. You can poke holes in it to use as a poncho or use it as, ya know, a bag.

Bandanas are another good one; they can be used as sun protection, handkerchief, towel, tourniquet, bandage, etc.

All fine and good until the day you have to wear the garbage bag in the rain. Been there, done that. It didn't work well and I looked like an idiot. Moral of the story is that sometimes the single purpose item is better. :D

You can get good weather resistance in your EDC jacket if you put some thought into it.
 
A trash bag with a couple holes has gotten me through many sporting events. Of course you gotta have a hat too.

Plus they make those scented trash bags now, you might look foolish but you'll smell great!

If OP's budget is big enough he could look into cuben fibre rain gear (not scented though, unfortunately).
 
A lot of it comes down to environment. In Calgary in winter I always had a pair of thick wool socks. Never knew when they would come in handy, and a few times they did.
Here in Aus, its always a buff or bandana, need to keep the sun off as much as possible. (as a backup to my hat)
My packs are a constant evolution. If I don't use something for a few months, it gets pulled out. If I find a could have used something, then I add it in. I don't like to spend money on simple things like water or a snack if I'm out and about, so I generally carry a waterbottle (easy to get filled anywhere) and a granola bar or something. Better than spending 5$ at a convenience store.

I have a "spare" light and knife (currently an E05mk2 and vic compact) but its more that I can leave the house with empty pockets and know I've got everything in the bag, so anything in my pockets is really the spare.

My first aid kits are based around lots of gloves. after that its whatever bandaids I might want for myself, but in an urban environment, I pretty well only need gloves until the ambulance guys can take over. And if the ambulance guys can't, well, I wasn't going to be able to carry enough to save you.

Lastly I have a big battery pack and cables for my phone, and for others. its a 5000mha which should give 2 or so full charges, but it means I can go without finding power for a couple of days if it came to that. But what it more means, is that if I've had to do some long nav with the GPS or whatever, I never stress over a sub 25% battery.


As for size, I would get a bag at least big enough to carry a raincoat of some sort or whatever outerwear you normally use. After that a few extras and go from there. a place like REI is a good place to start cheap, and if it works for you, then you will know where to go next. Otherwise a scottevest might just be your thing.

Really good advice.
 
Good advice indeed. A lot of good advice really.

Currently this is what my pack carries.



Insulated water bottle, first aid kit, rain poncho, flashlight, spare batteries, glow stick, suede work gloves, gorilla tape, Cold Steel GI Tanto, and hand wipes. Total weight with a full bottle is around 8.5 pounds, pack included.
 
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