Bader BIII grinder

daveinvegas

daveinvegas

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I finally got my Bader BIII, only thing is I didn't know it was 220 volt until I was loading it in my car.

I don't know crap about electric motors so I have a problem and some questions.

I see that some Baders are 110/220. I don't know if mine is 110/220 or 220.

It doesn't have what I thought was a 220 plug.

The tag indicates it is 180 volts, 7 amps, 1 1/2hp.

It has a Baldor something or other mounted on it. The tag on it indicates 10.2 amps dc/15 amps ac - 115/230 vac, 50/60 hz

What the heck do I have?
 
There should be wiring diagrams printed on the motor plate that show how to wire for 110 if that is an option.
 
You have a motor that can be wired for either 120 or 220.Where the wire goes into the motor,remove that plate and there should be a wiring diagram inside to tell you how to wire for 110 or 220.
Stan
 
Is it variable speed?

It's my understanding that the Bader uses 180 volt DC motors and controller to create variable speed, rather than 3 phase AC like others do.

Is there a plug on the controller ?

lets see a photo of that plug

Let's see a photo of the data plate on the motor
or list ALL the data on that plate.

Let's see all the data on that controller you can find instructions with a make and model number


it may be 110volts ac and a different amperage plug like the 20 amp plug

Do you see your plug on here
maybe 5-20?

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I suspect you have a dc motor, a dc controller and the controller input could be wired for either 220 or 110, but inorder to run that 180 volt motor, you need to use a 220 volt input
 
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So, it's wired for 220 and I need an adapter to plug it into a typical 220 socket like the one a dryer uses?
 
You got a 180v DC motor.

Pretty sure that has to run on 220.
I have a few DC motors here, and I don't think the drives can step up the voltage like an AC drive.

Looks like a 20AMP 220v plug.
Same ones I use here.
 
Brian Fellhoelter Knives said:
You got a 180v DC motor.

Pretty sure that has to run on 220.
I have a few DC motors here, and I don't think the drives can step up the voltage like an AC drive.

Looks like a 20AMP 220v plug.
Same ones I use here.
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OK, so how do I use it?

I don't have a socket to match the plug.

So, do I make an adapter? or am I screwed?
 
Verify it is indeed 220v, Wire in a new plug to suit your socket, and have fun!

Or, run a 220 line to your grinder...
 
its wired for 240 volts , the pigtail or plug tails the tail, go to your local hardware store or lowes and get a plug that fit your 220 outlet, you can change the outlet or the plug either one if you have a 220 outlet that is a dryer outlet i have a plug ill give you for it free u pay the shipping it came off my new bader
 
Google is your friend....
You could find the manual for that drive...
There will be jumpers set inside for voltage.

But, I just went out to the shop to look at my plugs, and that is indeed a 20A 250V plug.
I never trust an unknown like that myself.
Somebody can use whatever they have on hand to wire something up, rather than the proper parts...

And no, you wouldn't burn up $2k.
Just a motor... Maybe a drive... $800 tops...
 
OK, so can I make an extension cord with a female end to fit the plug on the Bader and a male end to plug into the 220 socket on the wall?

If I plug it into a 110 socket and it's 220 what will happen?

If it's 110 and I plug it into 220 I burn up the motor? And what else?

Sorry, but I paid 2k$ for this thing over a period of 6 months. I can't afford to replace parts.

Again, I apologize but as I mentioned I don't know that much about motors and electricity (especially AC). It's just that the 220 socket I have is a huge socket compared to the plug on the Bader. Why do dryers have such a big plug? The idea of plugging something into that socket that has a much smaller plug (even with an adapter or extension cord) just doesn't seem like a good idea.

Seriously, I can't afford to blow this grinder.
 
Good grief Charlie Brown....do yourself a favor and call a licensed electrician. :confused:
 
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Kevin Casey said:
Good grief Charlie Brown....do yourself a favor and call a licensed electrician. :confused:
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Seems like your best option for now as you aren't prepared to do it yourself.

I would also do as Brian suggested.

Find the manual for the Baldor BC154
open your controller and look at how it is hooked up and start from scratch.

Give the manual to the electrician too.



See the chart I posted above, there is no one "Standard" outlet

They are all standard outlets, different outlets for different amperages.
it ensures that an outlet with wire sufficient for 30 amps will not have a larger load placed on it...saves $ by wiring an outlet to meet the need and saves fires from overloading.


You could safely run the smaller load grinder from the larger outlet, wire and breaker that services the dryer..
by making up a specific extension cord for it it that is the simplest for you...
 
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I have the same Bader BIII. You have 1.5HP VS 180VDC motor and the corresponding controller. The input to the controller is AC. Yours is currently set up for 220/240VAC.At that setting it will draw about 7-8 amps per leg. It can be changed to run on 120VAC, where it draws about 15-16 amps.

Since you don't seem to be electrically adept, either hire a professional, or get a friend who knows his stuff on AC circuits. To change the input to 120VAC, they will need to move the input wire to the 120VAC lugs on the power bar ( and possibly move some jumpers inside the controller) and change the plug to a 20 amp plug. They will also need to wire a dedicated 20 amp socket for the grinder.
It would be far better ,and cheaper, to have him change the plug on any existing 220 VAC socket you have to match the plug on your Bader ( or run a new 220VAC line). Jury rigged extension cords are not a good idea. Bad things can happen when the wrong wires get crossed.
 
+1 for above comments,

I would add that I had to wire a plug on the end of my KMG when I got it to match the wall. Parts were less than $20.

Sounds like 110 might work better for your though. Hiring an electrician (or finding one who will help you in exchange for a knife) will be much less pain than getting the wiring wrong.

Tait
 
I also own the same grinder, I downloaded the manual for the variable speed drive and made the changes so I could run it off 120 volts as when I purchased it it was set up for 220v just like yours. I use a dedicated 20 amp breaker for it and have never looked back. It works great off of 120 volts.
Chris
 
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