Balance in a khukukuri - my personal experience

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Hi mates,

To me newbie, balance is a vague word. It’s really hard to understand. When I shaved down the handle of my M43, I had some observations. I want to share with you guys here so that we can together discuss and learn.

I wrote these words with the Physics knowledge from 9th grade. Don’t know whether I am explaining it right. Furthermore, I study my Physics in Vietnamese, my English would sound clumsy. I tried to explain it as best as I could.

Then let me start…

In the case of a khukuri, when we chop with a knife, we are trying to shift balance upward and downward. I break it down in 02 phases, upward swing and downward swing.

UPWARD SWING

Upwardswing.jpg


In upward swing, when we hold the handle, I feel in the point finger area incurs highest pressure. It’s where the balance shifts. Then I think the point finger acts as a fulcrum / pivot for the whole knife to lever upward.

From the point finger back to the pommel (the White area), it has a certain weight . With gravity, it creates a downward force called F1. From the point finger to somewhere in the middle of the blade, which I mark it as the Green area, has the same weight as the White area (weight of White area = weight of Green area). Similarly, gravity pulls this Green area and create a force (F2), and F2 = F1. Then both parts balance on our point finger (F2-F1=0).

So there is still the Yellow part left. All the balance we have been talking about lies in here. It’s the weight that we can definitely feel when we hold a khukuri. A khukuri is no longer a khukuri without this Yellow part.

When the Yellow area is large, the knife would be head-heavy. The chop would be powerful but the user has difficulty in drawing it back. If the Yellow area is small, then the balance would be too light and create weaker force for the chop.

The balance is perceived differently in different people due to their different strength. This is caused mainly by the Yellow area as well. To me, a suitable weight is about 1/100 of my body weight. I am 63kgs, then a knife of around 630grs will fits me. Don’t know if this rule still works on your case.

When we swing it upward, I observed 02 main forces created by wrist and arm+shoulder. The wrist will lift up weight of the Yellow area around the point finger. On top of that, the arm+shoulder, with big muscles, lifts up the weight of the whole knife around elbow and shoulder. This is why we often say “an over-weight blade is still okay to chop as long as it has a good balance”. The overweight is incurred by the arm, not the wrist, then still enjoyable to use. This case I experienced in my M-43 handle shaving.



DOWNWARD SWING

downwardswing.jpg


When we swing the knife downward, the fulcrum / pivot is experienced somewhere around the palm ring. Similarly to Upward swing, there is somewhere in the handle to form a balance of F1=F2, or F1-F2=0, which is the White and Green area.

With the shift of pivot/fulcrum point from point finger to palm ring, the Yellow area extends towards the bolster with more weight, then creates a bigger force for the chop - “light lift but powerful chop”

This also a point to explain for the function of the palm ring. Sometimes we say “with the palm ring, the handle seems to lock into our hands”.

In a single chop, I also observe force by wrist, by arms and by shoulder.


Do you guys have any different experience?
 
It sounds like you're explaining the basic wrist snap that a lot of people use while chopping with a kukri. It's essentially just adding another fulcrum point into the swing allowing for higher acceleration of the blade.

When raising the kukri and starting the swing, I only grip the handle with my thumb, pointer and middle finger, forming a 60 degree angle between my wrist and spine of the kukri. As I swing down it down, I engage all fingers, naturally creating about a 120 degree angle and snapping the kukri forth adding extra momentum.

You mention "force by wrist, by arms and by shoulder." I also think you mean that these are fulcrum points in whipping the the kukri forward. You can also add in a twist in your torso and hips as well as the bending on your knees to gain added force (though the contribution of these are minute compared to actions by the pivots of the arms).
 
@Killa: it's a very precious point you are adding in. The speed of the khukuri accelerates with more pivot points. This would work when you stand. Most of the case chop while sitting, then forcefrom hip& torso was not observed.

Everyone has his own technique of handling the khukuri, then my explaination above may not be experienced from you

thank you!

Thank you!
 
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In upward swing, when we hold the handle, ... I think the point finger acts as a fulcrum / pivot for the whole knife to lever upward.
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When we swing it upward, I observed 02 main forces created by wrist and arm+shoulder. The wrist will lift up weight of the Yellow area around the point finger. On top of that, the arm+shoulder, with big muscles, lifts up the weight of the whole knife around elbow and shoulder...
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Thanks, Hung, for the graphics and detailed explanation. I was thinking about this while sharpening my new 20" AK. I find that heavier tools make it easier to find the good technique (the "path of least resistance") since the muscles can really feel the difference.

I tried two different techniques, one pivots the wrist back during the upswing, and the other keeps the wrist straight during the entire upswing.

Instead of using the wrist as a pivot during the upswing, I think it is less tiring to keep the wrist straight until the top of the upswing, and then the wrist can more easily pivot the knife back during the beginning of the downswing (the knife is virtually weightless then, little to no wrist effort is now required) and then immediately snap the wrist forward from its upward pivot. (I hope this makes sense.)

In other words, the wrist is straight until the arm starts coming down. Then the wrist tilts back a bit to easily angle the knife backwards before snapping the knife forward.

This way, it's the arm muscles that lift the blade to it's highest point, instead of having part of the lifting work done by the wrist muscles.
 
Thank you for a well researched and thought out analysis..It will help me and a lot of other folks with their Kukhri techniques.
 
Thanks for this - made me realize that this explains more than you have shown because it carries forward to the different shapes of knife and knife handles, point of balance; why some knives 'feel' faster than others, etc..

Taking your hypothesis as base, the swell at the base of the kukri handles would also contribute, with various degrees of enhancement depending on the hand size and grip of the user in either the upward or downward swing.

And I used to think that the Plam Ring was decorative and had mine removed ... I feel silly now!
 
It seems it would be interesting to produce a graphic showing where the balance point lies in various khuks and see what that could add. It would require someone with a large number of different models (Warty!). Hung, this is an interesting breakdown. Thank you for your time. As JayGoliath said, it is very good to have you in the family.
 
Warty huh? You ask of me the one thing I am most horrible at, finding the POB of a blade. I find these by instinct, from having handled so many gins and knives in my short 47 years that it is a natural thing for me to do. I pick something up, chuck it around a bit and I just know from this point on how to hold this one to make it work for me personally and it isn't always the best way for someone else to use the same piece. I do this about as unscientifically as I possibly could and describe it the same way.

HOWEVER, I do have a larger collection of these things than some (not so large that I boast that it is immense, I'd say that folks like Ad Astra, Hollowdweller and Bladite among a host of others have far more of these things than I do) I am willing to allow someone who is nearby to use mine to come up with this sort of information for all of you should they find themselves willing.

Any volunteers? :)
 
Personally, I lift the blade with the point hanging down and chop with the blade pointing up, tyring to snap it as far as possible before it hits.
 
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