Balis with Martial arts?

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All i've read about the art of the balisong was mostly dealing with flipping, throwing etc... but no one really talked about flipping the bali while doing (karate, kung fu, etc...).

Clay, on your site u mentioned that you wanted to integrate the balisong into other martial arts routines... would anyone who does this enlighten us with some moves, techniques?

Clay...it'll be really cool if we could see movies when you're really doing ur bali routine (along with imaginary bad guys, etc...)the camera angle might be bad + hard to do, but it'll be great! By the way, what other martial arts do u study?

Is there any other ways of flipping the bali, when, say you're doing a tornado kick (for example, using the centrifugal force of the spin...)

It'll be awesome if we could all flip the bali (not while standing still), but when we're doing flying kicks all over the place
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it'll take some knowledge of martial arts of course...
 
I think I'll try some-o-dat. I've never been in a martial art but I can do a lot of martial arty things, people ask me all the time if I've ever taken Tae Kwon Do or Kung Fu.

ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO TRY TO DO ANY KICKS OR ANYTHING THAT COULD THROW YOU OFF BALANCE: BE CAREFUL NOT TO HAVE THE BALI OPEN WHILE YOU'RE KICKING, IF YOU FALL YOU RUN THE RISK OF FALLING ON YOUR BALI AND STABBING YOURSELF, BEING STABBED IS NOT FUN. NONE OF US WANT TO HEAR THAT YOU DIED OR WERE SERIOUSLY INJURED. BE CAREFUL!!

Now all in unison say, "Okay mom
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Cameron
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[This message has been edited by BalisongMan (edited 07-11-2000).]
 
If you want to learn the Balisong as a martial art check out, http://www.kalisilat.com/. Go to Pekiti Tirsia system and click. Purchase Tapes F,G,N,O,.

Through these tapes you will learn the art that contains the balisong. One thing I like about this tape series is you start at the beginning and build a foundation up through the series. It is not a bunch of tapes with alot of nice moves, but a sequential learning process. These tapes have been a great inspiration for me for learning more on the use of the balisong.
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I will do anything but flipping a balisong longer than needed while practicing.
Try posting your suggestion on the Filipino Combat Arts Forum
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"Peace is not without conflict; it is the ability to cope with conflict" - Leo Giron
 
Here in the Philippines the application of balisong in selfdefense is very much similar to Arnis.So if you know arnis you also learn knife defense. Try to go to my related links
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Balisong.com http://www.balisong.com

[This message has been edited by Armand (edited 07-11-2000).]
 
EHEM! ::Points to his website at http://members.tripod.com/xcthulhux/::
Thats what im doing right now! Im trying to integrate it with the varias FMA teqniques ive learned, its a work in progress but its worth checking out!

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Don't forget the use of a closed balisong as an impact and striking weapon. The nice thing about learning these techniques is that you don't need a balisong to apply 'em. Any little hard object you can hold in your hand can be applied, a flashlight, even a pen. These are powerful techniques to learn.

Legally, these techniques are a lot safer than bladed techniques. Even if your tool is a closed balisong, you can still say, "Yes, I had a balisong knife with me, but everything happened so quickly, I didn't even have time to open it. I just hit him with the closed knife. I must have gotten lucky or something because he fell right there." Luck had nothing to do with it. And had the situation progressed, you could have opened that balisong and transitioned to blade techniques instantly.



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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
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Zombie,

Sorry to break your bubble there dude, but in a self defense situation the less manipulation the better.

Open it - use it - close it - put it away.

I have no real desire to put any self defense techniques on my site. The last thing I need is for some chuckle head to stab someone over something stupid, mention my site, and Adios BalisongXtreme. Get it??

Plus, I'm a firm believer that, if you're going to learn to fight (or defend yourself), do it at a school. You'll learn things the right way and avoid picking up bad habits (they're what get ya' killed).

Videos and stuff like that are best for people that have experience with martial arts and want to enhance what they know.

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Clay
www.balisongxtreme.com
Because......
getting 'em open
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The final test of a balisong master is to defeat:

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Using a Filipino Martial Art and a balisong

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[This message has been edited by BalisongMan (edited 07-12-2000).]
 
Once I tried to practice bali manipulating while doing kata of karate with my pal, a karate guy.A parry - throw - punch - catch - stab conbination. Not seriously persuing its utility, but curiousity what advantage or disadvantage a bali will bring into combat.

The result is a half-inch depth of scar on my right foot. Still it hurts when raining after eight years. It was enough for me.

IMO a bali's only advantage to other types of folding knives is its strudiness when closed, and its good grip.Concealabilty that enables surprise attack can be achieved by most of modern "tactical folders", and no longer an exclusive to balis today.




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Ouch! One extremely good attribute of a balisong in a fight is the flashyness of the techniques, it could psychologically and mentally scare and confuse an inexperienced attacker or a really stupid one.

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Cameron
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...and if you do a REALLY flashy opening, you get killed before your knife is open
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Just for the sake of arguement: It depends on the size (fat or not) of your opponent, the age (75 or 32) and distance between you two. If there is substantial distance than you can afford to put another short tech in there. I am not talkin about doin a full finger twirl toss and catch into a helicopter pass etc, I meant like a basic horiz opening along with a transition to a ice pick grip for a reverse ice pick thrust and slash, shove and kick combo.

Some of you notice how people move and can quickly evaluate the speed in which you need to dodge and move in for the finish, using as little energy and "dramatics" as possible.
The dramatics I speak of is like Dennis Rodman getting a rebound, kicking his legs all around and then throwing his elbows, or, Rik Smits just jumping up, grabbing the ball and landing. Quickness and efficiency are extrmemely important in a fight, you can't land 5 loaded-fist punches to the arm and wonder how your attacker beat you with a hook or jab to your temple, in a fight wether knife or fist you must end it with as little violence as possible, don't put someone in critical condition because they stole your wallet, just kick their butt just enough to be able to wait for the police to come (or your friends
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just kidding). I don't know if any of what I wrote makes any sense or not, oh well.

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Cameron
"It takes a killer...to stop a killer"
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Clay nice point there, about not posting self defense techniques on your site, I was thinking about...maybe not exactly learning to combine the balisong with martial arts in a fight, but as an art, maybe just to show off or something (instead of just standing + flipping) LoL...maybe that was too far fetched.

of course, in a self defense situation, i would never do any fancy flipping, plus the basic windmill RoCkZ, i do it faster than a latch opening (?)

i have some basic knowledge of martial arts..i studied chinese kung fu for a few years i agree that if you want to learn how to fight, go to a school! reading sites, watching other people should just be "extra enrichment"

well, i have no clue waht i'm babbling about now..
 
zombie: I think what you propose falls under the category of either training (good for all) and show (like kata performance). the intent is to practice the balisong right? I think Jeff Imada correographed routines but not sure of that. Only recently flipped through his book on balisongs and thought it was pretty good. There are videos too.

As a newbie I am concentrating on the rock solid, basic up/down/up open as fast as I can manage. The ending roll isn't absolutely necessary for real time combat. Flashier openings might be more intimidating but prone to possible operator error and time consuming in the heat of battle? You want to be open and ready for defense asap IMO.

I hope it never comes to that for any one :|
 
bali_boy: In Clay's Tips and Tricks page he talks about "Fun with Oil", putting a certain kind of oil all over your bali and hands, that way you'll learn exactly how much pressure to exert on it while manipulating; to much pressure and it squirts out of your hands, to little and it just slips out. What I am getting at is that there are a lot of techniques that are flashy but when the bali is an extention of your hand then you don't even have to think about it and you do some pretty cool stuff.

I don't know if I've ever told this story before but, a couple months ago my mom, dad, and I were talking a walk around our house (we have 3 acres, we live out in the country)
and my dad was throwing pine cones at me and I was deflecting them w/ a stick. At one point we were about 25-35 ft. away (I don't know for sure) and he was still throwin' pine cones, he threw one and as I got ready to hit it all of a sudden I reached down into my third pocket and grabbed a bali, executed a basic horiz and slashed the pine cone perfectly, all without thinking about it. I think there is a point to the story, I'm not sure: practice, practice, practice, then, when you need to use the bali you won't have to think about how to manipulate or anything, it'll come second nature, that way you can concentrate on whatever the situation is about. I think I'll go take my medication now.
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Cameron
"It takes a killer...to stop a killer"
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Well put Cameron.

It's hard to see the value in anything when you don't know what it is you're expecting FROM it.

Case in point:

I had a few people e-mail me awhile ago asking "Whats the point of the Hyper-Drop techniques? It's just juggling right?? I don't need that flashy stuff".

I told them as an experiment to prove that I'M an idiot, work on them and get back to me in a month or so.

They got back to me with just the reply I hoped for.......... thankfully, I'm not an idiot.

The technique itself looks flashy, but in reality it's just a preparation for one of those moments when the Balisong slips out of your hand.

Instead of the Bali falling to the floor, they found themselves snatching it out of the air, and regaining control because now they knew how to identify where the blade and handle were in an "out of control" situation.

THAT is what that technique is all about. Most people won't even touch it though, calling it unnecessary.

I've put a lot of time into these techniques and I don't post anything that I haven't learned an important lesson from. Believe me, my site is expensive enough without paying for Mega-Bytes of Web space for worthless stuff.

Preparation for the unexpected is the key to surviving a self defense situation. Do any of you really think that 10,000 latch drop openings a day will have you prepared??

......... think again.

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Clay
www.balisongxtreme.com
Because......
getting 'em open
is half the fun!
 
BalisongMan, thanx for good story.

I think I found another point in it... always keep your bali with you!



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