BAN the Khukuri??

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I want to bring to the attention of the Forumites something that could affect us all and is certainly affecting our friends, brothers and collectors in Australia, regarding banning of edged weapons. This includes edged weapons that have an overall length of 40 cm or more.

That figures to an overall length of 15 ¾ INCHES, Folks!

This comes under the New South Wales State Government “Prohibition of Weapons Act.”

The purpose of this Act and its regulations is to restrict access to certain implements that are considered to be inherently dangerous. These implements are scheduled as "Prohibited Weapons", and include such deadly weaponry as Bali-song knives, slingshots, and crossbows (I kid you not),as well as truly dangerous items such as bombs and missiles.

The Minister for Police, (just the title makes me mad) John Watkins, has announced that the routine five year review of this Act is about to be undertaken, and has stated as follows:

"I want the review to now consider whether swords-including samurai swords and medieval blades-and machetes should also be banned items. There have been uses of machetes ,of swords in crimes in NSW over the last 12 months that has given me some concern."

Last year the State of Victoria attempted to ban swords.
Interested people in Victoria fought the government there very strongly on this issue and seem to have won a "stay of execution”. They were supported by students and collectors of weaponry in other countries across the world who sent submissions to the government of Victoria making it clear to that government that this was not just a local state matter, but was of concern to the international community of collectors and students of edged weaponry.

The scheduling of swords and machetes as prohibited weapons is currently under consideration, and you can take it as read that this WILL HAPPEN unless a very strong defense by interested parties is mounted.

Will you assist our Australian brother and sister edged weapon collectors and dealers by writing to the NSW Minister for Police and expressing your concerns?

As a citizen of a country other than Australia, I believe the concerns that would ring a bell would be :

a) Enactment of an unenforceable law ; enactment of such laws tends to reflect badly on government ,to weaken respect for the law, and to encourage criminals. In today’s world crime is international and disrespect for the laws of one country can cause disrespect for the laws of other countries, particularly countries as culturally close as the USA and Australia.

b) The puerile attitude that banning something is actually an effective measure against criminal use and possession of that thing.

c) The sword is a cultural artifact. Any tampering with the right of a citizen to own a sword is a restriction of democratic freedoms and could in some instances be considered to be an insult to another person’s cultural heritage. (Ever hear of the USA “Right to Bear Arms?)

Yes, you can get a license (to own an edged “artifact,” , but this could cost as much as $125 PER ITEM!

Yes, Australia is a Police State. BUT it is also a TOURIST STATE . They want our money. They want our support (well, maybe). Politicians depend on support for their policies for their re-election..

Let them k now what the world thinks of this upcoming ban. The PROHIBITED WEAPONS ACT as it applies to edged artifacts over 15 ¾ inches in length.
PLEASE take a moment and click on the below email and send a short note telling the MINISTER OF POLICE (Title still rankles me!) what you think of their banning edged artifacts, weapons, that could include machetes, khukuris, swords, keris, etc.

The email address of the Minister for Police, John Watkins:

ryde@parliament.nsw.gov.au

Thanks
Bill Marsh

PS, I would really apprecaite it if you would pass this along to other people in your address book. The more we can protest this outrage, the more likely something will be done.
 
Sad at least.
Easily tragic.
Don't know anyone here who would disagree.

Ban baseball bats?
Ban rocks?
Ban fists?
Ban fingers? (Three Stooges reference :rolleyes: )

Like why are 2-in nail-files on clippers banned on airlines;
but pencils & pens are allowed?
The latter are far more dangerous.
 
This type of legislation only tells us how lacy and mediocre our governments are when it comes to finding, understanding, and fixing society’s problems.
 
Hey Bill, Nice to see you posting here, even if it is against excessive legislation. Seems odd to me, considering the free-wheeling image I have of Oz and NZ. I have to rearrange my image of them, again. (I still mourn at the pictures of all those beautiful old and new guns being bull-dozed, then burned.)

I hope you and your business are thriving. Let us know. Last I can remember you were re-doing a warehouse, and (maybe) living there too. Can't be, can it?

(FYI: Mr. Marsh is a purveyor and collector of rare and beautiful oriental edged tools. If I had an active brain cell left, I'd remember the name of his business. :( )

Take care. Email sent.


Kis
 
Bill Marsh said:
...This comes under the New South Wales State Government “Prohibition of Weapons Act.”

The purpose of this Act and its regulations is to restrict access to certain implements that are considered to be inherently dangerous. These implements are scheduled as "Prohibited Weapons", and include such deadly weaponry as Bali-song knives, slingshots, and crossbows (I kid you not),as well as truly dangerous items such as bombs and missiles....

Of course you're not kidding!!

CALIFORNIA CODES
PENAL CODE

12582. Any person who knowingly manufactures, sells, offers for
sale, possesses, or uses a blowgun or blowgun ammunition in this
state is guilty of a misdemeanor.

653k. Every person who possesses in the passenger's or driver's
area of any motor vehicle in any public place or place open to the
public, carries upon his or her person, and every person who sells,
offers for sale, exposes for sale, loans, transfers, or gives to any
other person a switchblade knife having a blade two or more inches in
length is guilty of a misdemeanor

For the purposes of this section, "switchblade knife" means a
knife having the appearance of a pocketknife and includes a
spring-blade knife, snap-blade knife, gravity knife or any other
similar type knife, the blade or blades of which are two or more
inches in length and which can be released automatically by a flick
of a button, pressure on the handle, flip of the wrist or other
mechanical device, or is released by the weight of the blade or by
any type of mechanism whatsoever. "Switchblade knife" does not
include a knife that opens with one hand utilizing thumb pressure
applied solely to the blade of the knife or a thumb stud attached to
the blade, provided that the knife has a detent or other mechanism
that provides resistance that must be overcome in opening the blade,
or that biases the blade back toward its closed position.
For purposes of this section, "passenger's or driver's area" means
that part of a motor vehicle which is designed to carry the driver
and passengers, including any interior compartment or space therein.

12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison:
(1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the
state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives,
lends, or possesses any cane gun or wallet gun, any undetectable
firearm, any firearm which is not immediately recognizable as a
firearm, any camouflaging firearm container, any ammunition which
contains or consists of any flechette dart, any bullet containing or
carrying an explosive agent, any ballistic knife, any multiburst
trigger activator, any nunchaku, any short-barreled shotgun, any
short-barreled rifle, any metal knuckles, any belt buckle knife, any
leaded cane, any zip gun, any shuriken, any unconventional pistol,
any lipstick case knife, any cane sword, any shobi-zue, any air gauge
knife, any writing pen knife, any metal military practice
handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade, or any instrument or weapon
of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, billy,
sandclub, sap, or sandbag.
(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be
manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or
exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity
magazine.
(3) Carries concealed upon his or her person any explosive
substance, other than fixed ammunition.
(4) Carries concealed upon his or her person any dirk or dagger.
However, a first offense involving any metal military practice
handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade shall be punishable only as
an infraction unless the offender is an active participant in a
criminal street gang as defined in the Street Terrorism and
Enforcement and Prevention Act (Chapter 11 (commencing with Section
186.20) of Title 7 of Part 1). A bullet containing or carrying an
explosive agent is not a destructive device as that term is used in
Section 12301....


I'd say send a letter to California too, except it would probably give them the idea to ban something that they've not got 'round to yet.
 
The California law is because of their massive, hidden ninja population who were blow-darting people with impunity until the law made them all into peaceful citizens.
:rolleyes:
 
About 15 years ago a friend's son got darted
with one of those 4" wire darts while walking thru
a parking lot here in Tulsa.
No known reason.

Collapsed one lung.
Treated and released the next day.

If someone had -made- a blowgun
rather than buying the common type around here
he would more likely be dead.

Homemade usually results in a larger pipe & longer dart.

So I figure better it was 'legal'.
 
well, what's next, moving all the poisonous animals offshore? carrying poisonous animals for defense?

Keith
 
Bill Marsh said:
I want to bring to the attention of the Forumites something that could affect us all and is certainly affecting our friends, brothers and collectors in Australia, regarding banning of edged weapons. This includes edged weapons that have an overall length of 40 cm or more.

That figures to an overall length of 15 ¾ INCHES, Folks!

This comes under the New South Wales State Government “Prohibition of Weapons Act.”

The purpose of this Act and its regulations is to restrict access to certain implements that are considered to be inherently dangerous. These implements are scheduled as "Prohibited Weapons", and include such deadly weaponry as Bali-song knives, slingshots, and crossbows (I kid you not),as well as truly dangerous items such as bombs and missiles.

The Minister for Police, (just the title makes me mad) John Watkins, has announced that the routine five year review of this Act is about to be undertaken, and has stated as follows:

"I want the review to now consider whether swords-including samurai swords and medieval blades-and machetes should also be banned items. There have been uses of machetes ,of swords in crimes in NSW over the last 12 months that has given me some concern."

Last year the State of Victoria attempted to ban swords.
Interested people in Victoria fought the government there very strongly on this issue and seem to have won a "stay of execution”. They were supported by students and collectors of weaponry in other countries across the world who sent submissions to the government of Victoria making it clear to that government that this was not just a local state matter, but was of concern to the international community of collectors and students of edged weaponry.

The scheduling of swords and machetes as prohibited weapons is currently under consideration, and you can take it as read that this WILL HAPPEN unless a very strong defense by interested parties is mounted.

Will you assist our Australian brother and sister edged weapon collectors and dealers by writing to the NSW Minister for Police and expressing your concerns?

As a citizen of a country other than Australia, I believe the concerns that would ring a bell would be :

a) Enactment of an unenforceable law ; enactment of such laws tends to reflect badly on government ,to weaken respect for the law, and to encourage criminals. In today’s world crime is international and disrespect for the laws of one country can cause disrespect for the laws of other countries, particularly countries as culturally close as the USA and Australia.

b) The puerile attitude that banning something is actually an effective measure against criminal use and possession of that thing.

c) The sword is a cultural artifact. Any tampering with the right of a citizen to own a sword is a restriction of democratic freedoms and could in some instances be considered to be an insult to another person’s cultural heritage. (Ever hear of the USA “Right to Bear Arms?)

Yes, you can get a license (to own an edged “artifact,” , but this could cost as much as $125 PER ITEM!

Yes, Australia is a Police State. BUT it is also a TOURIST STATE . They want our money. They want our support (well, maybe). Politicians depend on support for their policies for their re-election..

Let them k now what the world thinks of this upcoming ban. The PROHIBITED WEAPONS ACT as it applies to edged artifacts over 15 ¾ inches in length.
PLEASE take a moment and click on the below email and send a short note telling the MINISTER OF POLICE (Title still rankles me!) what you think of their banning edged artifacts, weapons, that could include machetes, khukuris, swords, keris, etc.

The email address of the Minister for Police, John Watkins:

ryde@parliament.nsw.gov.au

Thanks
Bill Marsh

PS, I would really apprecaite it if you would pass this along to other people in your address book. The more we can protest this outrage, the more likely something will be done.
first the gun now the knives kings and princes like unarmed pesants and so do criminals.
 
Yes, Bill, post your website so we can drool. Shah Jahan's is the name, isn't it? Give us the key to Shah Jahans or else!!!!! ;)
 
Reread the law above on "switchblades". It's funny to me; I have several automatic knives and they all open pretty fast, but those new CRKT M-16 knives I have open just as fast or faster. Of course it's OK for the local police to have autos, just not us regular folk. And what difference does it make as to how fast you can open a knife with one hand?

Like I said, with the flipper on the M-16 carson designed knives, they open _fast_ and are completely legal. Idiots...

You know, in England now after banning everything else they are now banning toy guns of all kinds. Even possessing one is against the law. And this is the nation that gave us the Magna Carta and dominated the world for 200 years. Sad. Just a bunch of sheep now. Just like California will be in another 20 years with the rest of the country not far behind.

Regards,

Norm
 
How many of the crimes were committed by blonde haired people? Perhaps he should restrict them by enforcing the wearing of electronic tags to ensure they don't commit any crimes :-)

I think it is reasonable to restrict large dangerous knives and swords to collectors via a licensing scheme but it is unreasonable to make them pay per item. In the UK we have Martial Arts licence for those that need to carry exotic weapons that they use in training etc and it gives the Police a chance to determine if they think the applicant is a sane and reasonable individual. I don't see why the Ozzie government can't do the same.

Having such a large wilderness area I cannot understand why they would restrict Machete style knives in particular. I liked to watch the Bush Tucker Man on discovery - this was an expert in survival skill in the Australian outback - and he carried a large bolo/machete everywhere??

I will happily send an email. I was hoping to visit Australia and New Zealand with my Kukri at some point.
 
Hi Moff8

I think you will find that a Martial arts licence is not a legal document, & is not issued by a Goverment body & doesnt garuntee any you rights regarding the carrying of weapons in a public place. {Although hopefully would help proove a relevant good reason, to allow an officers or magistrates discretion.{presuming you can proove you are on your way to or from the Dojo.}
{still presuming you class isnt in Glasgow on a saterday night!}

If I am mistaken please could you point me in the direction of the relevant passages of law.

cheers,
Spiral
 
No thats correct, but as the Officer can use his own descretion having one would in most cases allow you to go about your business. I know a few people who have been stopped at airports etc with bags full of live and dull blades for MA demos and the licence was enough proof to justify posession.

I was unaware that there was not a legal body involved in the distribution of the document from my last instructor I was led to believe that Police checks were made. I will need to check that out.

As you say this is not a Cart Blanche for carrying a blade for self defence. Sorry if I gave that impression.
 
nice to hear from you again, Bill. how's the possum? ;)
 
I have been so active in the petition against such blatant descriminatory law?

If it comes down to it, yes, I will be getting a Martial Arts Permit, but such things should never have to be necessary.

I actually found a great page of quotes. It may have been posted before, but here it is...
 
Why not ban something at least proven deadly...not just commonly to those currently living, but to generations as yet unborn?

Yup...ban the automobile!
 
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