Bark River Liten Bror Initial Impressions.

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I was fortunate enough to buy a Liten Bror gently used for an AWESOME price on another board. It was not necessarily in the color I wanted - but it had double liners - so I thought it would fit my hand better than stock - so I picked it up.

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Specs:

Blade Length: 3.665
Edge Length: 3.575
Handle Length: 4.425
Overall All Length: 8.090

Blade Height: 0.832
Grind Height: 0.450
Blade Thickness 0.155
Blade Type: CPM 3V
Grind Type: Convex Scandi (High Sabre Ground Convex)

Handle Width at Palm Swell (with double liners) 0.850 (it is reported to be the same with or without liners)

Initial Impressions:

I have noticed that Bark River pictures are always deceiving. I wish they had some standard scale next to their pictures so that you could know what you were getting a little more. The Liten Bror is no different, the overall length is smaller that I thought, the blade is thicker than I thought, and the handle scales are (or would be - if it were stock) thinner than I thought.

With all of that said, the knife is a very capable, nimble, and fun to use.

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Blade:

The steel is very hard, and although not as easy to sharpen as D2 isn't difficult to sharpen, and takes a very sharp edge. The finish is a lot smoother and more polished than the other knives I have from Bark River. The grind is very slightly convexed so it cuts more like a scandi than other convex blades I have, and has a durable shoulder behind the edge to prevent wear. However, I still prefer scandi edges when using primarily on wood.

The spear point is a drilling machine and it makes small holes QUICKLY in wood.

The blade is not as tall as I would like it, and when I hold the knife in the chest lever, or other holds where my thumb in on the blade - I fear I will get part of my thumb on the edge itself.

The blade is also not as long as I would like it - 3.5 inches is just a fine length - but I prefer a bushcrafting blade closer to 4 inches if possible.

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Liten Bror next to Hiking and Camping Forum Knife and Koster Bushcrafter.

Handle:

I am very glad that Ifound one with double liners. I think with my hand size (glove size L) that I would think it was FAR too thin. It is okay in the hand filling department, but the gunny seemed about right for the size of the blade (which is very similar to the Liten Bror).

The hande is also a little too short for me as well, the Gunny was just a bit longer and was far more comfortable, the Aurora almost being too big.

With all of this said, it is nimble in the hand, very comfortable in long term use, and for someone with slightly smaller hands would be very good. I would, however, get at least one set of liners unless you have midget hands. If you have huge paws - probably best to bump to the Aurora.

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General Comments:

I do not know why Bark River struggles so deeply with making a bushcrafting knife that has a spear point, wider blade that is about four inches long, unless it is a special order.

The Aurora is a bit too larger for my tastes, and it is not legal to carry in most states measuring in at 4.5 inches. The liten Bror is 3.5 inches - and thus seems to waste the .5 inches it could have and still be legal.

Because of the choice to make a knife at 3.5 inches, everything else scales down in kind. The handle isn't quite tall enough, the blade isn't quite tall enough and thus you are left with a very capable, but small, knife.

What I would like is essentially a Gunny with a spear point. An Aurora put in shrinky dink machine and made .5 inches smaller at the blade and .5 inches smaller at the handle.

Bark river seems, at times, to be VERY close to making the perfect blade, but instead makes 100 different blades that are close to being perfect. The Liten Bror is no different for me.

Using the Liten Bror:

The Liten Bror is very nice to use. It makes THIN curls when making feather sticks, yet because it is more like a scandi can dig deeper than most. The edge geometry and steel choice is great. It holds a very sharp edge for a very long time and is a very capable cutter. Because the steel is a little on the thick side, it does not slice in the kitchen very well, but is no slouch either - it is like using a pairing knife on steroids.

Making a bow drill kit with it was very simple, and it did what I wanted it to with very few compromises. Because my knife has double liners it does not 'choke up' very comfortably, but I think the stock knife would do so with ease and comfort.

Sheath:

The ubiquitous Sharpshooter sheath almost goes without notice any more with me. I take it out of the sheath, put the sheath away, and make my own. The sheaths are always very nice (if on the thin side) and would serve an end user well for years.

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However, this one is odd. I don't think Sharpshooter had time to make a proper length sheath for this one, and pressed another sheath design into service, leaving the handle hanging WAY out of the sheath.

In my opinion, bushcrafting sheaths are supposed to be deep pouch sheaths so that you do not loose your blade. On a Bark River knife I don't like to see the middle rivet hanging out of the sheath at all - and I terminate my sheaths in between the middle rivet and the lanyard tube.

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As you can see from the picture above - the knife is a bit too far out of this sheath - making it look awkward, making the carry odd, and leaving your knife less secure than it could be.

This means nothing to me, because I would make my own sheath rather than use this one - however for users that do not have this option - they might find the sheath frustrating.

Overall Impressions:

With all of this said, this knife is a great knife. It's execution is excellent. If someone took away all my blades and handed me the Liten Bror to use in the bush, I would not bat an eye.

For those wanting a smaller bushcrafting blade - you should take a look at the Liten Bror.

TF
 
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Thanks for the great review. I love Barkies and this one is no exception!
 
Thanks for the review TF, you saved me some cash bro. I wanted the knife but was hesitant fearing the handle was going to be too small for what I wanted it to be. You just confirmed that for me. Your allright bro, I don't care what Magnussen says about you ;)
 
Your allright bro, I don't care what Magnussen says about you ;)


Really? I thought that is all that we were supposed to care about :p

On the flipside, thanks for the review, TF. Honestly is something I always like when reading the reviews that you have.
 
They make beautiful blades, but I do agree, they scale their handles too much in relation to the blade length on (it seems) every knife.

Great review :thumbup: by the way. I think it's important to talk about the negatives, no product is perfect...
 
The knife seems a bit small to me too.

And I’m shocked to think the stock handle is only ½” wide at the palm swell.


That’s crazy. :confused:



I think a 4” blade that’s about 1” wide would be about right.


Give me a Bravo-1 like handle.




Good stuff TF. :thumbup: :cool: :thumbup:




Big Mike
 
Good stuff Talfuchre!:thumbup:


As for the Bark River in a wider 4" with spear point, they have an awesome full-tang Kephart.
I just got one in a trade. Great, open handle on it! Every grip is very comfortable. Really a keeper.:D

I agree with your statements about the LB handle and choke grip. It is comfortable with the use I have put it through, but feels restrictive. For me, a blade this size should suggest a good amount of choke grip use.
I find the slabs to have a steep drop at the ricasso that is uncomfortable for choke grip.

It does have an excellent edge grind on it and very solid steel. I find the blade length fits a very nice niche, enough for excellent control and swaying between mid-size and small.

Personally, I think they should rework the handle, thin the blade thickness a hair and possibly give it a slight more belly. Go for a more Scandi look. :thumbup:

But they were making a small version of the Aurora, and so kept the style. Regardless, I think they did a great job on this one!:thumbup:
 
Thanks Tal. I was really close to buying one of these and now glad I went with a Koster Bushcrafter instead.
 
I feel bad that I hear people being talked out of buying this blade. I hope I don't hurt BRKT's sales - but I got to tell it like I see it.

TF
 
I feel bad that I hear people being talked out of buying this blade. I hope I don't hurt BRKT's sales - but I got to tell it like I see it.

TF

I'm actually thinking of getting one. I gots little hands. My Cynthia also liked the sound of it, so don't feel too bad:D.
 
I feel bad that I hear people being talked out of buying this blade. I hope I don't hurt BRKT's sales - but I got to tell it like I see it.

TF
Nah. This was a few weeks ago. I posted a link here in WS&S on the LB when I was looking at it. I ended up getting a smoking deal on a Koster which made my mind up for me.
 
No worries TF,

It is still a great blade, unique in advanced steel with strong, excellent grind.
Backed up a by a solid warrantee.

It was also their first go at this blade, who else is gonna give them the feedback to fix the kinks?:D
 
Not being up on my metallurgy, what's the deal with CPM3V? Once you get beyond the various 10** carbon steels and others like them I'm kinda lost.
 
Not being up on my metallurgy, what's the deal with CPM3V? Once you get beyond the various 10** carbon steels and others like them I'm kinda lost.


It is a Crucible Powdered Steel, described as:
'CPM 3V is a high toughness, wear-resistant tool steel made by the Crucible Particle Metallurgy process. It is designed to provide maximum resistance to breakage and chipping in a high wear-resistance steel. It offers impact resistance greater than A2, D2, Cru-Wear, or CPM M4, approaching the levels provided by S7 and other shock resistant grades. CPM 3V is intended to be used at 58/60 HRC in applications where chronic breakage and chipping are encountered in other tool steels, but where the wear properties of a high alloy steel are required.'


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It is considered one of the most advanced recent steps in metallurgy...
 
TF good review:thumbup:

Re the handle width. They are the same with or without liners. The liners are attached to the slabs before cnc shaping. Mine has no liners and is about the same width as yours. I have large hands and find the handle comfortable.

The grind, steel, and edge make for a wood eating machine that does not blunt

I agree on the sheath. Looks weird sticking out like that.

Paleojoe you are right on about the FT Kephart. A great bushcrafter..
 
Another nice review Talfuchre!

I read one of your earlier post after this knife came out where you said that you would not be getting one because it seemed to small for your liking. Besides the extra thickness from the double liners, it appears to have lived up to your original thoughts.

In regard to your comment about the sheath not fitting the knife well and leaving a lot of handle sticking out, I understand your concern. Maybe the sheath was designed for the standard knife with no liners and the extra thickness from the double liners causes it to bind before reaching normal seating depth.

On a personal note, I am glad to see that the Hiking & Camping knife is still going strong for you and serves as a reference point in many of your reviews. I really like the modifications that you made to it to make it your own. I am still planning on sending you my Canadian Camp knife for a sheath when it gets back from re-handling at John's shop.

Thanks again for the write-up on the Liten Bror.

Phil
 
I feel bad that I hear people being talked out of buying this blade. I hope I don't hurt BRKT's sales - but I got to tell it like I see it.

TF

I doubt that your honest review will cost them any sales.
For everyone that has larger hands, you've saved them the money spent on buying a knife that doesn't fit them, but you've given others with smaller hands or a need for smaller knives a good look at a quality knife that will fit them better than a larger blade.
BRKT does need to find a scaling system for their web page and adds that will give customers a better idea of their products dimensions.
 
It is a Crucible Powdered Steel, described as:
'CPM 3V is a high toughness, wear-resistant tool steel made by the Crucible Particle Metallurgy process. It is designed to provide maximum resistance to breakage and chipping in a high wear-resistance steel. It offers impact resistance greater than A2, D2, Cru-Wear, or CPM M4, approaching the levels provided by S7 and other shock resistant grades. CPM 3V is intended to be used at 58/60 HRC in applications where chronic breakage and chipping are encountered in other tool steels, but where the wear properties of a high alloy steel are required.'


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It is considered one of the most advanced recent steps in metallurgy...

I knew M4 was suppose to have 3v beat in edge retention, but I had no idea 3v was supposed to be that tough. That's amazing. That almost has to be getting into INFI territory...
 
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