Bark River North Star - Review

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Bark River North Star

This is the second BRK&T knife I have reviewed and I believe I have found the “perfect” CampKnife. I don’t mean a large bladed chopping do it all survival type knife but what in Australia has been called a “Bushman’s” knife. That is a knife that will do many of the tasks in camp like:

• food preparation;
• making camp furniture and accessories;
• whittling;
• cleaning fish;
• field dressing game; and
• splitting firewood.

In camp I like to be able to carry a knife that will do these tasks and not have it stowed away until needed. My first camp knife was a 6” Bowie and later on I liked the Green River Dadley or a Green River 6” stiff boning knife that I had customized. Field dressing game is not that important to me but I like to have the ability to do so. I have always liked the “spear point” shape for a utility blade and the North Star meets all my requirements.

The knife I purchased is one of the first production runs with the tapered tang. It has a black canvas micarta handle with three 6061 Aluminium hollow rivets and an exposed thong holder an extension of the tang. BRK&T describes the North Star as:

“The North Star Belt Knife is a true practical, Outdoor/Bushcraft belt knife. We engineer this knife to be as compact as possible and still be stout enough for rugged use. At 4.625 ounces it is easy to pack and carry.

The spearpoint blade has a 4 inch sharp edge from plunge line to point. The back spine of the blade has a slow taper to the point to aid in penetration of wood. The convex blade grind will hold a fine razor sharp edge for carving, notching, and stripping bark. The point is excellent for drilling or boring into wood. The sharp edge has enough straight area from the plunge line to make food prep a breeze. The forward half of the blade has just enough curve on the edge for easy slicing.

The full exposed tang is tapered to the rear allowing a perfect balance on the first finger. The blade spine is notched just forward of the handle slabs for use with a Ferro rod or fire steel.”

It is obvious that they put a lot of thought into this knife. Out of the box the A2 @ 58-60HRC blade proved to have a 4” cutting edge and measured just under 4-3/8” from the back of the spine to the tip. The blade is 15/16” at its widest and is 5/32” thick and at about 2” from the tip it starts tapering and is 1/32” just before the tip. The blade has a thumb notch of about 1” immediately following the handle which provides a firm grip without imprinting too much on the thumb although Bark River say this is for use with a Ferro rod or fire steel. There is a couple of notches at the bottom of the ricasso which one surmises are to stop the finger slipping although IMO if this is the case it does not provide any real benefit. The handle is 7/8” thick at the butt and 5/8” at the front. I found it very comfortable to use with no hot spots developing.

The blade was sharp out of the box and easily sliced through 3/8” manila rope, 3/16” leather, bought a ½” hardwood dowel to a point and to my surprise sliced the top off a crisp new carrot without splitting. Proof that Bark River got the profile right. As with all BR’s the blade is convex although not as evident as on say the “Huntsman” and I estimated that the edge is equal to 30 degrees and the blade is less then 1/64” thick just before the edge. I also used the blade to skive emu leather which is a good test of any blade and I was able to basically split the leather in half which is difficult to do without a good edge.

In extended tests the knife made 40 cuts of the 3/8” manila rope easily and whittled a ½” hardwood dowel from 12” down to 3” in no time. At this stage these are the only edge retention tests I have done but I would say that the North Star is equal to the Huntsman I tested recently. So far my major testing has been in the kitchen and in the bush. Firstly, in the kitchen the North Star cut up all the makings for a beef stew and except in the area of chopping performed like my F-Dick Chef’s knife and I was even able to thinly slice roasted smoked pork, another surprise. The fine point of the blade acted like a paring knife and I was able to cut up a carrot into strips. All in all I think this knife is going to find itself spending a fair bit of its time in the kitchen.

Well how tough is it if it works so well in the kitchen. I gathered a few fallen Eucalypt branches in the bush some up to 1-1/2” thick and set to work. Firstly, I trimmed the branches using a chopping motion and then proceeded to remove the bark. The North Star cooperated and I soon had a pile of cleaned branches to play with. The knife easily cut notches in the branches with the heel of the blade. Using a wooden batten I was able to sever 1” thick branches into 12” lengths and then again using the batten was able to split the branches in half. Using the “spear point” I was able to “drill” a hole through these splits, starting on one side and finishing on the other. After this bush work and a few strops on my leather strop charged with diamond rouge the edge was back to shaving sharp.

I did a fair about of work with the tip in the kitchen, “drilling” wood and carving a spoon. How strong it is I don’t know but it showed no sign of failing in the work I did, as I’ve stated before I’m not into destructive testing. As far as penetration testing goes I normally don’t do such tests because it is so variable between reviewers. The blade did easily penetrate a topside roast up to its full blade length and did it just as well as a 6” stiff boning knife I have in the kitchen. One problem I did find with the extended thong hole was that it did make using the normal thrust hold uncomfortable and in fact it could prove painful and it does not provide a secure grip for the thumb in the reverse stabbing hold. It would also inhibit you punching holes in tin cans EG with the palm of your hand. In the long term I might grind it off but at the moment I like the look of it.

Well “road kills” and time have been scarce plus it has been raining off and on for a week so I haven’t had a chance to check to North Star out on field dressing and skinning but given the shape and the profile of the blade it shouldn’t prove a problem. Also it would be good for gutting and cleaning fish and for those used to a stiff blade for filleting it would take the fillets off medium sized fish. Of course being A2 it would have to be cleaned immediately.

The sheath is the basic BR pouch type which was easy to mould to the shape of the knife. The belt loop like the Huntsman’s sheath is riveted. BRK&T enclosed a card to be returned as they are having new sheaths produced and will forward you a new sheath free of charge. Having seen a pic., of the new sheath it is a vast improvement and should add to this fine knife.

I could not find much to fault in the North Star, probably the thong “hole” – it would be interesting to hear other user’s views on this. And, an extension of the grooves on the underside of the handle and ricasso to provide a bit of grip to save the fingers slipping. Whether or not you like the hollow rivets is a matter of taste and it doesn’t worry me one way or the other. This is a preliminary review and there is a bit more work I would like to do with the knife but at this stage I would recommend it to anyone who is looking for a general duties or utility knife for camping, bushwalking and the like. With its light weight the North Star is easy to carry and rides well and doesn’t get it in the way and therefore is always there to use – a good point, a bit of belly and plenty of edge with cutting and slicing power.
 
Thanks for the wonderfully comprehensive and reasonable review (we don't need to demolish a knife to see if it's any good.) :)

Nitin
 
JDBLADE said:
I could not find much to fault in the North Star ...
It looks like a clean and solid design, well focused for a specific task, though I would caution about heavy batoning as such wood splitting is one of the promoted uses. The only "drawback", would be the price, there are customs in that range (Dozier / Krein), plus productions which are way cheaper like the Deerhunter, a couple of the smaller Swamp Rats, etc. . I tend to prefer more secure grips on that style of knife though, not so much necessary for normal use, but for when fatigued, or slippery with grease, etc. .

-Cliff
 
Posted by Cliff Stamp
The only "drawback", would be the price, there are customs in that range (Dozier / Krein),

The North Star I reviewed is $159.95US (as per their site) although we sell them for around $145.00US which is bit cheaper than a similar sized knife from Bob or Tom albeit they are customs. IMO there is no comparison with the Deerhunter a better comparison would be the Spyderco Moran at around $100.ooUS although the small Swamp Rats EG the Bandicoot (next they will be calling one of their knives a Kangaroo) is great value at around $88.00US although I think the Swamp Rats are an acquired taste.

It is interesting how people place more emphasis on the price of fixed blades than they do folders. I have customers who will baulk at paying $100 for a fixed blade but will happily part company with $200 for a folder. There was a time when fixed blades were the "ants pants" and treasured whilst folders were "throwaways". How times change.
 
JDBLADE said:
..there is no comparison with the Deerhunter
In what way, it is very well suited to the work done in the above, food, rope, carboard, woods, etc. . The only draw back I would reserve it for in regards to bush work is that it doesn't pry very well, and thus for some heavy wood work would be a problem, however there are other techniques, not everyone needs that.


-Cliff
 
JDBLADE said:
Swamp Rats EG the Bandicoot (next they will be calling one of their knives a Kangaroo) is great value at around $88.00US although I think the Swamp Rats are an acquired taste.

Once you thin out the edge on the Bandicoot, it's one of the best cutting small fixed blades out there. I'd put mine up against many knives costing much more.
 
JDBLADE said:
The North Star I reviewed is $159.95US (as per their site) although we sell them for around $145.00US which is bit cheaper than a similar sized knife from Bob or Tom albeit they are customs. IMO there is no comparison with the Deerhunter a better comparison would be the Spyderco Moran at around $100.ooUS although the small Swamp Rats EG the Bandicoot (next they will be calling one of their knives a Kangaroo) is great value at around $88.00US although I think the Swamp Rats are an acquired taste.

It is interesting how people place more emphasis on the price of fixed blades than they do folders. I have customers who will baulk at paying $100 for a fixed blade but will happily part company with $200 for a folder. There was a time when fixed blades were the "ants pants" and treasured whilst folders were "throwaways". How times change.

I suppose my opinion of the Deerhunter is somewhat clouded by a bias I developed when I purchased one sometime ago. To paraphrase an old saying “If its made like a kitchen knife, looks like a kitchen knife and cuts like a kitchen knife it must be a kitchen knife.” I don’t know if I had bought a lemon but I found the Deerhunter to be a somewhat average knife that had little edge retention and was difficult to sharpen – I consigned it to my fishing box to cut up bait. No doubt the newer Deerhunters in D2 and VG10 are much better and perform adequately but IMO they are not comparable to Swamp Rats, Bark Rivers, Doziers or Kreins. My interpretation of a CampKnife is basically a large BushCraft knife and differs somewhat from what is described as a “camp” knife in the US. If there is one area where I don’t believe the Deerhunter stands up and that is in sturdiness and that is something that I believe is necessary when performing such tasks as making bush furniture and being able to butcher game. No doubt the Deerhunter has a niche in the knife world such as for those “modern” campers who like to take their 4WD into the bush, as long as it’s not too far from civilization, along with their camping tables, chairs, beds, portable stove and fridge but still want a fixed blade on their belt to make them feel as being one with the bush when they’re cutting up the smoked salmon to have with their chardonnay. ;)
 
Hey JD, don't hold back, just tell us what you really think. ;)

For my uses, I want a light weight but sturdy fixed blade for backpacking. The knife needs to be capable of general "bush" tasks. My current blade for this is the Bark River Highland, and it is as light a package as you will find for the blade size and capability. The one thing I wish it had was a little thicker handle and a little more of a point. For that reason I am definitely interested in the Northstar.
 
Thanks for the nice review.
I liked the looks of the Northstar in pictures I had seen. I do like the general blade shape, as I find a spear point style blade to be near ideal for most of the work I do. A2 is certainly a decent steel (I would prefer 52100 for this type of knife myself), and I like convex grinds.


I was going to buy one at a knife show and was very disappointed in the actual knife. I found that I did not like the design, and that it had a very poor execution.

The handle scales were of different thickness and were not centered on the tang, the convex grind lines were uneven, with one side being steeper ground than the other so bad that it could be seen with a casual glance.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but to be quite frank the handle design was among the worst I have seen, both in terms of comfort and security.

The handle is thicker at the back and funnels the hand down, and combined with the angle of the tang/ blade juncture, it seems to force the fingers down right to the edge. I am used to working with guardless knives, Mora, carving knives, SAKs, and folders, but this was all together different. This was with dry hands, no stress, no emergency.

As well, the handle is too small for the blade, and the square lanyard hole really bites into the hand.

I had thought the Northstar would make a nice replacement for my Mora 2000, but it was not even close.


The knife did have a very nice edge applied though, it was extremely sharp. In fact, it had already sliced through the sheath, and this was at the show NIB. The dealer said that the Northstar sheaths were defective and new ones would be sent as soon as they could be supplied.

I am suprised to read your comments on the Deerhunter, it is one of my favorite knives. It is light, and offers a very high leel of cutting performance. It does not have nearly the scope of work as a larger, thicker blade (even the Mora 2000, IKW Cliff knife have a broader scope of work), but for the rather light use that makes up the vast majority oif my daily and camp cutting chores, the Deerhunter works exceptionally well. Mine is the old AUS version, and I will be upgrading to one of the more modern steels eventually. the only bad thing I could say about the Deerhunter is that the handle feels a little cheap.

My dream design for a light use knife is heavily influenced by the Deerhunter, same blade shape and size ground from full hard M2, with a larger wood handle in a light wood like birch or osage.

As well, note that both the Gerber Shorty in M2 and the Deerhunter were an influence on Cliff Jacobson's design of the IKW Cliff knife, another excellent knife that I would readily choose over the Northstar. Its 1/16" L6 blade is suprisingly durable. If you want more durability, it is offered in a hand forged 5160, 3/16" at the base with full distal taper to a fine point.

AS Cliff Stamp very accurately points out, the Northstar is in the same price class as some really good custom makers, those that Cliff pointed out, as well as guys like Gene Ingram, Chudzinski and too many others to list. All offer a directly superior product to the Northstar in my opinion. In productin knives, see the Howling Rat Review byt Cliff Stamp it looks to offer much better ergonomics, higher durability and as shown in the review can be modified for better cutting performance as well, all at a lower price.

JD,
I know I sound a little harsh, please don't feel like I am trying to rain on your review. I really enjoyed reading it, I just have a different opinion of the knife, especially compared to others in the same price class. I realize that your opinion is probably more informed than mine, since my impression was not based on any use just inspection at a show.

I do have one question, I noticed that you are a Bark River Dealer, as well as a Dealer for the other knives you review. By your reviews, are you warranting that the knives you sell will perform as you promote during the review? Are your knife reviews seperate from your knife sales?
 
JDBLADE said:
..I found the Deerhunter to be a somewhat average knife that had little edge retention and was difficult to sharpen
Was this the AUS-6 version? I don't like that class of steel much either for precision work, the edge is floppy and difficult to get nice and crisp and even when you do get it by careful honing it goes away fairly quickly. It is a nice introduction steel and a heavy grubber because it resists chipping decently and is easily machined so you can clean out dents from sod cutting and similar.

IMO they are not comparable to Swamp Rats, Bark Rivers, Doziers or Kreins.
In some respects but not others, the cutting ability is definately in the same league, and the edge retention of the D2 one is quite high, they are also less than half the cost of Krein and Dozier, so it would be reasonable to expect a performance upgrade.


If there is one area where I don’t believe the Deerhunter stands up and that is in sturdiness and that is something that I believe is necessary when performing such tasks as making bush furniture and being able to butcher game.
You can break it rather easily with lateral prying, an adult male should be able to just jam it in a stick and wrist torque it to failure, and quite frankly there are people who want that level of strength, my brother has no time for the Deerhunter, Mora 2000, etc., for exactly this reason. However for the work you described in the above the Deerhunter actually excells. It can do all of that easily and far beyond. I don't see based on what you have done in the above that you would seek a thicker blade.

knifetester said:
I was going to buy one at a knife show and was very disappointed in the actual knife. I found that I did not like the design, and that it had a very poor execution.
I can see buying one over the internet and getting this responce, but you mean at a show you handled a display piece and that was its level of quality? Did you mention any of it to the guy running the table/booth?

Boye runs a similar handle shape, thick a the back but tapering to the front, however he has a very large and well shaped guard so there is no finger/edge issue.

-Cliff
 
I can see buying one over the internet and getting this responce, but you mean at a show you handled a display piece and that was its level of quality? Did you mention any of it to the guy running the table/booth?

Yeah, I was a bit put off by it myself. The dealer though was pretty up front about things, he offered no apology for Bark River, and basically just said "hey, I don't make 'em, I just sell 'em."

He let me check out several other knives, as I was also interested in buying a Mikro. Again, issues with design (the finger grooves look like they were designed for a teenage girl), grinds, terrible sheaths, etc.

All the Bark River knives did have very sharp edges though. Everything else might have been screwed up, but those puppies were sharp.
 
Wow, that is pretty bad. You would assume at a show you would put out hand selected pieces. One of the nice things about James Mattis, of which there are many, was that he would do these inspections for knives bought over the internet.

-Cliff
 
Yes, James excellent man. I hope Toni is doing well. While we may be saddened by his passing, I can only imagine what it must be like for her.

My first internet knife purchaes were from James Mattis and Bill Martino. ONly now do I realize how lucky I was to get my introduction through two excellent gentlemen like that.
 
Yeah, Bill was more than a little unique. You could talk to him all day about knvies and never realize he sold him. He had a rare way of doing business. Every now and again he would drop me an email with "Hey, just got these two khukruis in, they had your name on them. If you don't like them just return them. If not pay when you can.". Hell of a guy.

-Cliff
 
Posted by knifetester
I do have one question, I noticed that you are a Bark River Dealer, as well as a Dealer for the other knives you review. By your reviews, are you warranting that the knives you sell will perform as you promote during the review? Are your knife reviews seperate from your knife sales?

Yes we deal in Bark River Knives and just about every other brand of knife. The knives that I review are those that I personally buy for my own use or are provided to me by customers or friends. I do not review a knife that is supplied by the maker and I have made it clear that we do not accept such knives for review. My knife reviews are done for our newsletter "Knife Knews" which is distributed to our customers and anyone else who asks for it. By my reviews I am not warranting that a knife will do anything I am just stating the results of the testing I carried out on the knife in question and certain opinions I developed during the review. But, it stands that if I make certain statements about a knife and that a customer believed that a knife they purchased from us didn't perform as I said it would then IMO the customer would be due for a refund or replacement. I have said in our website that I review knives within the claims made by the maker - in fact what I am attempting to do is verify such claims. Our sales guarantee is simple - if a customer is dissatisfied with a purchase we will replace it and or offer a refund and that we will honour the warranty or guarantee of the maker. As far as I am concerned the reviews I do are my own but I provide them as a service to our customers and I don't believe that my reviews are in anyway biased by "knife sales" in that as I said before the knives are purchased by myself for my personal use.

In relation to your comments on the North Star. You will note in my review that I measured the handle width which showed the sloping of the handle - some people like such a shape others don't. I neglected on this occasion to state that I have smaller than average hands and that this may bias some of my results as what I find comfortable people with larger hands may not.

I am surprised that a dealer let that North Star you saw on the table at a knife show. IMO the dealer is doing the maker a disservice in not sending such a knife back. Every manufacturer has knives that sneak through quality control. I try to inspect every knife that comes through the shop and I would return such a knife as I have done with other brands EG Spyderco and Kabar. How is the maker to know that quality control has been breached if a dealer sells such examples. All too often I have seen knives in shops that are "lemons" with bad grinds, loose blades etc for some reason it seems okay to sell knives in such condition - the only reason I can think of why they do it is because they know nothing about the product they sell. Would a hardware merchant sell a screwdriver with a crooked tip?

Further on the North Star I understand that there is or will be a newer model out - I haven't had one in stock but I understand that it may address some of the problems you have raised. Regarding the sheath - I think everyone agrees that Bark River falls down in this area although they are addressing the problem. IMO the standard of sheath supplied with a knife should reflect the standard of the knife and a maker is letting the product down if they do not supply a suitable sheath.
I know I sound a little harsh, please don't feel like I am trying to rain on your review. I really enjoyed reading it, I just have a different opinion of the knife, especially compared to others in the same price class. I realize that your opinion is probably more informed than mine, since my impression was not based on any use just inspection at a show.

I don't see your comments as harsh in my view it all adds grist to the mill and helps people make up their minds about a certain product.

Regarding the matter of prices please understand that the main thrust of my reviews is for the Australian knife readers. Our pricing structure over here is completely different to the US. Here a Kabar USMC can sell for up to $200AUD and the RRP is way out of proportion to what occurs in the US. To buy knives wholesale in Australia normally costs more than the RRP in the US and this is where the smaller US knifemakers have an advantage in pricing as they are not sold through a distributor in Australia. This also goes for the likes of Dozier and other US knifemakers where we can buy their products cheaper than knives made by Gerber, Spyderco and Kershaw for example.
 
I'm not saying Knifetester did not find a bad Bark River or two, but I have several, and without exception mine are flawless. The grinds are all symmetrical, the edges very sharp, the scales even. Overall fit and finish is just excellent. I do not own a Northstar, so I cannot comment there. All of my Bark Rivers are either Prototypes or First Production runs, so this may make a difference. I do have a Fox River, and it has the thicker portion at the rear of the handle. At first I did not care for it at all, but once you hold it and use it awhile it starts to feel better. Even so, that kind of handle design is not my favorite.
 
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